Are there any good Freys or Boltons?
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Winter_King — 9 years ago(January 12, 2017 03:39 AM)
In the books, Roose Bolton had a trueborn son that seemed to be a good guy. (It's implied it was Ramsay that killed him)
There are a couple of Freys who seem to be good. Stevron Frey was said to be reasonable and died for Robb Stark in battle..
Robb also had a Frey squire and Robb said he was as loyal as any king could want.
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CheruthCutestoryII — 9 years ago(January 12, 2017 06:46 AM)
I'd say the vast majority of Freys are either good or harmless.
They aren't a group of people who hunt human beings in the forest or anything.
What were they supposed to do? Betray both their father and the king of the seven kingdoms for some POS who humiliated them, used them for a passing, and then broke the promise to them?
They didn't plan the Red Wedding but they weren't in a position to stop it. It's not how feudal society works.
In the books, I think it's very clear that what Lady Stoneheart is doing to them is flat out wrong and they are supposed to be sympathetic. Not Walder but most of the rest of them. Petty and absurd but ultimately not bad people.
It's a level of ambiguity and shades of gray the show has chosen to abandon. So, all Freys must die and everyone will celebrate their murderer. -
matt-cricket — 9 years ago(January 14, 2017 01:00 AM)
with the way feudal society is, i would agree that most people under the banner of frey and bolton are generally good, but can't disobey their liege lord.
walder encourages his family from the start to infight and be petty.
i don't think every single bolton soldier at the battle of the bastards wanted to be there, or would consciously choose to slaughter their own fellow northerners. -
Unshaken_Unstirred — 9 years ago(January 14, 2017 02:56 AM)
That's an interesting distinction that I think you're getting at. Correct me if I'm wrong. Robb kills many people, ultimately for his own good/vanity, but is likable. Fray kills few people, but is unlikable. Who is worse?
I would interject the concept of relative morality. Robb doesn't understand his actions to be wrong, nor do others in his society who he interacts with. His worldview is predicated on honor, not the preservation of life. Robb is moral because he acts with honor (most of the time), Frey knowingly acts without honor and fails to meet the standards of his society.
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