Does anyone think he is the best fighter in the series? at least before he got his hand cut off. He said early on that
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meeyakey22 — 9 years ago(December 27, 2016 05:09 PM)
Does anyone think he is the best fighter in the series? at least before he got his hand cut off. He said early on that he was the best fighter and that only three people could take him. Who would be the three? Maybe Eddard Stark, Rhaear Targaryen(Though that timeline might be off) and Tywin Lannister?
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sergioborrallo2 — 9 years ago(December 28, 2016 01:45 PM)
Well, I didnt read the books, but in the show, I guess he surely meant Barristan Selmy to be one of them. He was his squire, and Barristan is know as one of the best swordman in Westeros (even being old).
The other ones are pure speculation: I would say he also meant the Mountain (he works for the Crown and he knows him good and he is freaking huge).
The third one, I really dont know: The Hound?
Sure I would say (even I dont think that Jaime was speaking about him) than Oberyn could have a very good chance, since he defeated the Mountain. And probably Khal Drogo too. -
BlueWesteria — 9 years ago(December 28, 2016 02:30 PM)
I guess he surely meant Barristan Selmy to be one of them. He was his squire, and Barristan is know as one of the best swordman in Westeros (even being old).
Did they say Jaime was Barristan's squire on the show?
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Krypteia1 — 9 years ago(December 28, 2016 07:43 PM)
Yeah. During that season 2 scene in which "Alton Lannister" (a Frey in the books) was put in the same holding pen as Jaime by the Stark troops, they have a conversation. Alton tells Jaime that squiring for him was the greatest experience of his life, and Jaime shares a story about how he squired for Barristan Selmy.
"He was a paintera painter who only used red."
Jaime admitted he was a terrible squire, that he got in the way more than he helped Ser Barristan, and it looked like a nice bonding moment between two imprisoned Lannistersand then Jaime went and killed his cousin haha.
For the TV audience it was a way to reinforce that Jaime is a massive jerk, that he pushes kids out of tower windows and is willing to kill his own family members, but the self-described "book readers" cried because the scene didn't exist in the books.
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BlueWesteria — 9 years ago(December 28, 2016 09:17 PM)
Thanks for the info.
For the TV audience it was a way to reinforce that Jaime is a massive jerk, that he pushes kids out of tower windows and is willing to kill his own family members, but the self-described "book readers" cried because the scene didn't exist in the books.
Maybe they cried because the scene woefully mischaracterized Jaime? He saved the life of the man he squired for in the books, and of course he never killed his cousin or any other family member. Also, "the pushing kid out the window" thing, was not something he frequently partook in. It was a hateful act he committed believing he had no other choice, and later came to be shamed of the deed. Even Ned admits to himself that he might have done the same had he been in Jaime's shoes. -
BlueWesteria — 9 years ago(December 28, 2016 02:20 PM)
Lost to Brienne.
With hands bound and after a year's imprisonment. In the books Brienne thinks that at full strength no man alive could defeat Jaime.
Lost to Ned.
No he did not.
Lost to Bronn.
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TheBookBears — 9 years ago(December 28, 2016 06:32 PM)
Lost to Brienne.
He was weakened by the state of captivity, months of little food and covered in dirt (and probably feces).
Lost to Ned.
Well, Ned actually was going to win, but the Lannister guard impaled his leg with the spear. Nobody won or lost in the fight because the fight was apparently called off and Jaime would rather not fight an injured man open for him to finish if it's caused by someone else. He likes fair fight.
Lost to Bronn.
Yeah, in training, not the real fight. Plus, he has lost his sword hand. Have you been watching the show?
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BlueWesteria — 9 years ago(December 28, 2016 02:14 PM)
He said early on that he was the best fighter and that only three people could take him. Who would be the three?
That's a show invention. In the books Jaime thinks no one could beat him, even the best. GRRM meant Jaime to be among the top, if not the top swordsman of his generation and the stuff of legends. Whether that was adequately portrayed on the show is another issue. However, in earlier seasons Tywin mentions how Jaime was covering himself in glory, and later it's revealed that Jaime single handedly cut down ten knights before Robb's men were able to subdue him.
Maybe Eddard Stark, Rhaear Targaryen(Though that timeline might be off) and Tywin Lannister?
None of these men are among the best fighters. They were proficient, even skilled, but not legendary.
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BlueWesteria — 9 years ago(December 28, 2016 03:08 PM)
Have to disagree. I'd rather take GRRM's word for it that you can make a case for various characters being the best. Stating that all these characters are for a fact better than Jaime flies in the face of what George has written and said.
SI.com: The athlete atop our athlete power list is LeBron James. Who is the equivalent of LeBron in your universe?
Martin: Well, LeBron James is the greatest active basketball player I suppose so the parallel in Westeros would be who is the greatest active swordsman. You can make a case for Jamie Lannister. You can make a case for The Hound or his brother Ser Gregor [Clegane] or Sir Loras [Tyrell], the Knight of Flowers. These are all first class Knights. Or even Ser Barristan The Bold [Sir Barristan Selmy]. These are all guys who are top at their own particular sport, which is swordsmanship and jousting, and all of the combat skills that attend knighthood.
http://www.si.com/more-sports/2013/03/06/george-r-r-martin-game-thrones-sports-podcast -