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otter — 9 years ago(December 12, 2016 04:29 AM)
Of course Joffrey and Stannis are nothing alike, all they have in common is a lack of capacity to be good rulers! They'd both make bad rulers for very different reasons, but the end result in both cases would be tyranny and misery for the ruled.
Stannis wasn't strong, he was just inflexible, rigid, and obtuse. He couldn't see other people's points of view, understand his own limitations, or show mercy; and he dealt terribly harshly with anyone who displeased him. During his exile on Dragonstone island he had his own minions burned alive for disagreeing with him or trying to negotiate with his enemies, which isn't exactly the best way to attract new supporters, or fill the few you have left with enthusiasm! Stannis is a terrible manager, all he can do is insist he's right and punish anyone who disagrees with him, he can't convince or inspire anyone, even when he actually is right for once - like about being the rightful king.
And that's not even bringing the Red Goddism into it, that's another reason he would have been a truly terrible king. A man who can't see other people's perspectives isn't someone who can understand the benefits of freedom of religion, if Mel had succeeded in getting him on the throne he wouldn't see why he shouldn't burn all the Septs and Godswoods and anyone who stayed loyal to their old religion.
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gabste — 9 years ago(December 12, 2016 04:37 AM)
Robert was the true steel. Stannis is pure iron, black and hard and strong, yes, but brittle, the way iron gets. He'll break before he bends. And Renly, that one, he's copper, bright and shiny, pretty to look at but not worth all that much at the end of the day.
George R.R. Martin, A Clash of Kings (A Song of Ice and Fire
Your opinion. The op wasn't asking about what kind of King he would have been. The op was asking why people liked him. I answered that question. The above quote shows that Martin never had the intention of Stannis ever getting to retain his throne.
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otter — 9 years ago(December 12, 2016 04:48 AM)
Get used to hearing my opinion, hon, I've got a lot of it!
But seriously, how can one discuss Stannis's good points, or bad points, without wondering what kind of king he would have been? It was his major goal in life, and I for one am glad he never achieved it.
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gabste — 9 years ago(December 12, 2016 04:58 AM)
Ok !
I think you're missing his appeal. You must admit his quotes and mannerisms were likable. The 'grammar nazi' and the 'bend the knee' ! Everyone knew Stannis wasn't going to make it to the throne and that fascinated people in itself. People were happy he never achieved his goal, like yourself. How was he going to die ? What's this guy going to do next to try to regain his rightful throne ?! He was exciting to watch along the way whether you liked him or not. You may not of liked Stannis but you're still talking about him. Stannis was a dark gothic-medieval character with a black cape and that appealed to many, especially myself. Fascinating in every way.
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otter — 9 years ago(December 12, 2016 03:34 PM)
"I think you're missing his appeal. You must admit his quotes and mannerisms were likable."
I admit nothing of the sort! To me, the only likeable moments were with Shireen, and look how that turned out.
No, to me, Stannis was always the embodiment of a personality type I instinctively distrust and dislike - someone who's all about authoritarianism without understanding. Beware of people who say that what's important is being obeyed, not the complex issues, because the issues ARE complex and someone who's only thinking about obedience is going to get everything wrong, as Stannis did. He's also going to hurt the people under his control, just to exercise the authority that's so important to him, and his followers are so much easier to hurt than his enemies.
So yeah, I consider him to be an excellent complex villain who was played by a very good actor, but really, Stannis was a horrible person and a damn fool. He only went to the Wall because his adviser misunderstood the visions in the flames, not because he genuinely understood the threat posed by the WW and was committed to saving Westeros. No, he wanted to be king, and Mel told him that the way to become king was to go north, so he went north.
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Leo_ofRedKeep — 9 years ago(December 12, 2016 03:42 PM)
No, he wanted to be king
Stannis never wanted anything. He did not value free will.
Long may she reign
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Nightman_Trumpeth — 9 years ago(December 11, 2016 03:15 PM)
http://asoiaf.westeros.org/index.php?/topic/99982-best-stannis-baratheon-quotes/
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Darth_Sneville — 9 years ago(December 12, 2016 06:16 AM)
I always saw him as MacBeth, ambition was his folly he's a polymath a pain in the ass a massive pain. Onion Knight is Banquo Brienne of Tarth's MacDuff and Birnam Wood is wildire on his way to Blackwater Ba-a-ay.
Please excuse my life of Hamilton.
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Iberian_Wolf — 9 years ago(December 12, 2016 06:59 AM)
Stannis is a tragedy on his own, a very good one at that.
He had all the focus, he was probably the fairest ruler there could be - Onion Knight is a good example - he was prepared to sacrifice everything he hold dear including his child, he had the strength to pull it off, along the way he became blind with all the Lord of Light BS and Mel's boobage but in the end he wasn't the promised hero and his past actions caught up to him, leading to his demise.
he had a great story and was played by a great character.
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tallypike — 9 years ago(December 13, 2016 05:15 PM)
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Well, the day that the world was supposed to end has now come and gone and I believe that its about time that we lay it all on the table and look ahead to the days ahead into the realities of post C-36.
Over the years many of you have met me at the various industry parties, spoken to me over the phone for one reason or another or you know me personally. For those who might be new and dont know me, the one common denominator that you would establish from all who do know me is that I am a straight up, no beep tell it how it is and how I see it, shoot from the hip kind guy. That cant be disputed. And as the operator of one of Canadas (not just Torontos ), but Canadas, largest and most reputable agencies, we are considered by many, as being industry leaders. I have more than a few years of experience in this industry as well as operating in the USA where it is much more illegal in all aspects than here in Canada. The states is booming busy even with their stricter laws.
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The industry has now changed. The ladies at Mirage do not work for us. They are all freelance independent contractors. They choose their own schedules and set their own fees. WE WORK FOR THEM. They advertise on our website, and we provide security and accommodation for a fee if needed. We are no longer an escort agency, amongst many different divisions of our company, we are a companion referral and security service. EACH AND EVERY SERVICE THAT WE PROVIDE THE COMPANIONS IS OFFERED TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC. We are a multi service entertainment company and have amalgamated all of our companies under one umbrella and ON A NEW WEBSITE. ( KUDOS TO FEMME FATALE, amazing job)
Safe guards for your privacy and discretion. ALL of the staff here at Mirage are either family, very close friends of mine or have been employed here since the very beginning, DAY ONE. It is a very close, tight knit group of the best and most experienced in the industry. We have one central booking landline. No individual cell phones that store texts, emails, etc. to clients. At the end of each shift, all info on the phones that we communicate with the girls with are erased.
, IF YOU ARE AFRAID OF OUR PHONE RECORDS BEING SUBPOENAED BY THE POLICE AND YOUR NUMBER WAS TO SHOW UP IN THE RECORDS DONT WORRY BECAUSE OF OUR NEW BUSINESS MODEL AND NEW WEBSITE YOU CALLED US TO BOOK A LIMO, BOOK A CORPORATE EVENT HOSTESS, ENQUIRE ABOUT A STAG FOR A FRIEND, HAVE SECURITY NEEDS, OR EVEN RENT AN APARTMENT FROM US. WE DO MUCH MORE THAN PROVIDE COMPANIONSHIP. WE PROVIDE ALL SERVICES TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC. WE ARE MIRAGE ENTERTAINMENT CORPORATION.
We still require a contact number to make bookings. At the end of the day, if your booking went smoothly, we will delete your number. If you were an beep and we consider you dangerous, we will keep your info for the security of the ladies. Should you want to join our loyalty program, we will give you a code, or note the last 4 digits of your number, the choice is yours.. Some of the guys that hobby use disposable burner phones for added piece of mind.
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