It should have been Roose who married Sansa. This occurred to me just now.
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otter — 9 years ago(November 26, 2016 08:57 AM)
If that had happened, Ramsay's dogs would have starved!
Seriously, Roose was cool and a great love-to-hate-him character, but he was to rational to function as a chief villain of the series.
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TheGoforth — 9 years ago(November 26, 2016 08:58 AM)
he was too rational to function as a chief villain of the series.
What a ridiculous statement. Have you never heard of Hannibal Lecter?
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TheGoforth — 9 years ago(November 26, 2016 08:55 AM)
Exactly. If Ramsay had to exist in some capacity on the show, he should have been retarded, like a counterpart to Hodor, immersed in violent acts but more like a pet or animal that Roose has and 'brings out'.
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vjfoogie — 9 years ago(November 26, 2016 09:25 AM)
I would say the main difference was the great acting by Joffery's actor. I'm assuming you are making a kid joke, so I can only rubuttal with.if you are old as dirt and insulting people you think are kids online, you are a loser haha.
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otter — 9 years ago(November 26, 2016 04:20 PM)
Joffrey was the perfect love-to-hate-him villain character, and IMHO not just because the kid who played him was so damn good.
Joffrey was intrinsically both very weak and very strong - that is, he was the king of Westeros whose word was law and who could have you killed or mutilated on a whim but he was also a whiny little kid who could be taken down with a good bitchslap. So every time he did something horrible, there was this awful tension, where you wondered if THIS time he'd gone to far, and someone would react by spanking some sense into him. Tyrion actually did bitchslap him into place a couple of times and it worked, so the two possibilities were always there. Brilliant writing, IMHO.
Now Ramsay didn't have anything like that, he was just another horrible gross disgusting sadist. Now I admit he went out in spectacular fashion, which made up for a lot, while Joffrey's death was oddly unsatisfying. Joffrey just died, he didn't learn his lesson, while Ramsay actually did.
Edit: Roose was played by a marvelously cool actor, but he wasn't as brilliantly written as Joffrey. If he'd been the chief villain he'd be kind of cool, but he'd just be a smart guy who opposed the Starks, and who was no worse to Sansa and Theon than any other brutal Lord of Westeros.
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vjfoogie — 9 years ago(November 26, 2016 06:43 PM)
In the books Ramsey has a bit more depth. Roose is a lot better in the books, but damn his actor was perfectly casted. Joffery was definitely a better villain, but I'm just saying I really don't understand the hate for Ramsey. I hated his guts, so he fulfilled his role.
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otter — 9 years ago(November 26, 2016 10:21 PM)
But did you love to hate him? When Ramsay came of the screen, did you feel in horror and delight, wondering what horrible or stupid or unintentionally hilarious thing he's do next?
Thats what made Joffrey such a great villain, Ramsey just wasn't as entertaining, even if he did a good job of imperiling other characters. The guy who played Roose was excellent, but he just wouldn't have been a great solo villain, he just wasn't as interesting as Joffrey or Littlefinger.
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JJdaPK — 9 years ago(November 26, 2016 09:21 AM)
Roose is a more compelling villain than Ramsay, but I think the problem with Ramsay was just that he was a bit too one note. He could have still been a sadistic bastard, but he could have been given some sort of layers or inner conflict. We don't really get why he loves to torture people and why he gets so much pleasure from it. A little more psychological insight would have gone a long way.
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vjfoogie — 9 years ago(November 26, 2016 06:44 PM)
He felt that flaying people made him more of a Bolton. Before he was just a bastard trying to earn the respect of his father. He thought that by doing what is on his father's banners he would earn his respect, hence all the flaying he did.
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codyhoskins — 9 years ago(November 26, 2016 10:08 AM)
Ramsay was too sloppy and reckless and his only purpose on the show was to be a source of discomfort and horror in place of Joffrey that couldn't be reasoned with and wasn't conflicted between any choices of evils like all the other ill-doers on the shows because all he cared about was evil. All the time GRR Martin and D&D kept denying from the start of the series that it wouldn't have any villains and they made Ramsay altogether villainous like all those other typical villains who always let their bloodlust and arrogance get the better of them until they beep up. I guess they just wanted someone for once who most of the characters in Westeros could agree on killing for someone who had no regard for human life just like the WW don't.