Cersei's reign
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Leo_ofRedKeep — 9 years ago(November 26, 2016 05:37 PM)
Under the war situation Ned Stark consciously caused, you mean. Remember, he was the actual bad guy of the story, the one who made a real mess of things under the impression of "doing the right thing".
Long may she reign
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Leo_ofRedKeep — 9 years ago(November 26, 2016 05:57 PM)
Joffrey executed a traitor. The war started when Ned decided it would, as he acknowledged to Littlefinger. He took a conscious decision.
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Leo_ofRedKeep — 9 years ago(November 26, 2016 06:47 PM)
The war started when Robb called the banners. Ned took the decision that made it unavoidable by cornering the lioness. Joffrey started nothing, the ball was rolling already.
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kvothe_snow — 9 years ago(November 26, 2016 06:59 PM)
The war started after the beheading of Ned Stark. It was already brewing after Catelyn kidnapped Tyrion, and after Jaime injured Ned. Everyone was still trying avoid war even after those incidents, but it was the stupid-boy Joffrey who really started it. Even the likes of Cersei and Varys knew it as they begged and pleaded to Joffrey to "stop this madness." It's the fault of the lioness for bringing up a psychopathic cub.
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Leo_ofRedKeep — 9 years ago(November 26, 2016 07:04 PM)
You're twisting things as you want them. War starts when armies march against each other, which is something Robb, Renly and Stannis ordered. They were the consequence of Ned accusing Joffrey of illegitimacy in public.
The local war Tywin started in the Riverlands was not escalating and therefore cannot be seen as part of the War of the Five Kings nor as a trigger to it.
Long may she reign
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kvothe_snow — 9 years ago(November 26, 2016 07:29 PM)
Nah, Ned tried to honorably dismiss the immoral Lannister family from the throne. He did this peacefully, by asking Cersei politely. Ned underestimated the bitch's thirst for power. The inbred Joffrey even made things worse by acting compulsively. The war of the 5 kings was a direct consequence of Joffrey's beheading of Ned Stark. He made it all too easy for Littlefinger.
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Leo_ofRedKeep — 9 years ago(November 26, 2016 07:52 PM)
He did this peacefully, by asking Cersei politely.
He told her to pack her things, her kids, her lion and run to the end of the world.
He set her on the street even though he knew winter was coming.
The man was a monster.
Long may she reign
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Marendil — 9 years ago(November 26, 2016 07:38 PM)
The local war Tywin started in the Riverlands was not escalating and therefore cannot be seen as part of the War of the Five Kings nor as a trigger to it.
He thought he'd be dealing with Robert as King, he didn't realize he'd be dealing with Ned Stark who was more inclined to 'let justice be done though the heavens fall.' Robert would have forced Ned to back off, just like he did when Jaime challenged him and killed his household guard.
It was this sequence of events, the Mountain's assault and Ned's determination that he be brought to justice that escalated a family feud into open battle. Joffrey was the one who ensured it would be a war.
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Leo_ofRedKeep — 9 years ago(November 26, 2016 07:21 PM)
It's the fault of the lioness for bringing up a psychopathic cub.
We saw her doing her best but the boy lacked a proper father
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ScorpionTDC — 9 years ago(November 26, 2016 07:01 PM)
If Ned Stark was sent to the wall and Sansa/Arya were sent back to Winterfell, Robb would have lowered his banners. Varys says as much, and Cersei agreed (thus why she tried to keep Ned alive). That was unavoidable when Joffrey lopped his head off, though
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Leo_ofRedKeep — 9 years ago(November 26, 2016 07:06 PM)
Joffrey failed to help ending the war, he didn't start it.
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Leo_ofRedKeep — 9 years ago(November 26, 2016 06:06 PM)
Here's to starting wars:
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summeriris — 9 years ago(November 25, 2016 01:10 AM)
You mean Westeros has more armies there to keep on doing the same old, same old raping and murdering? Wow the 'people' will fall at Dany's feet. At least the Dothraki will obey her orders not to wantonly rape and kill, and well the Unsullied lack the equipment to rape and they obey her about killing innocents. It will probably be the most disciplined army in the land.
I am the Queen of Snark, "I Shine, Not Burn".
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otter — 9 years ago(November 24, 2016 11:53 PM)
Nothing against Cersei?
Okay, say a person who is widely rumored to be screwing a sibling blows up the biggest church in the land, along with spiritual leaders and her own relatives and in-laws. Say her last surviving son commits suicide as a result. Would you think such a person would be a great leader, deserves to rule, and has the favor of the Gods? Would you support her reign, or would you be so desperate to get rid of someone who seems to be an incarnation of immorality that you'd support anyone with a reasonable claim to the throne (and no known history of incest or killing family members)? The people of Westeros know they're going to get a warring tyrant no matter what, but I think they'd prefer one who seems wonderful and glamorous to one who's known to have committed every crime against righteousness possible.
And that's just the common people! None of the lords of Westeros support Cersei, they hate her. They'll support Dany mostly out of fear of the dragons, but because at this point they'll support any alternative to Cersei.
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Leo_ofRedKeep — 9 years ago(November 25, 2016 12:03 AM)
You're just extending your own feelings to everyone.
Half the population of King's Landing perceived the Sparrows as a nuisance (probably more actually).
Long may she reign
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otter — 9 years ago(November 26, 2016 08:36 AM)
Am I projecting? Okay, let me put Cersei's actions into modern terms. Say the vice-president of the US was being impeached by congress and was threatened with removal from office and a jail sentence, and he dealt with the situation by putting a bomb under the capitol building. Say the explosion kills most members of both houses, a bunch of VIP spiritual leaders, staffers and innocent bystanders, as well as this vice-president's own daughter-in-law and uncle, and various other members of his extended family. Say he arranges to have various other enemies murdered at the same time. And then, say the president commits suicide as a result and the vice-president who just blew up the capitol building and murdered half the US government assumes the presidency of the US.
So, how many people do you think would believe he was the rightful president and fit to rule?
Seventy-seven courses and a regicide, never a wedding like it!
