Atta INFP. Thanks for the hand
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Marendil — 9 years ago(November 24, 2016 07:27 AM)
It always astounds me how many people take personality tests so seriously.
Myers-Briggs is garbage. It's a $20 million dollar scam based on pseudo science. And I can't believe some companies actually use this beep in the work place.
No, not a pseudoscience, but perhaps the most difficult science there is, the study of how human beings think. This particular one (MBTI) usually rates a little lower for reliability than you'd like, meaning you can take it again and get a different result sometimes, but that's because it's very difficult to write questions to differentiate between the categories sometimes and some people have difficulty separating what they
are
from what they want to be or what they think they ought to be.
I do know that when I went back to school in 2008 and took psych at one of the biggest and highest rated state schools in the US with a renowned psych department they had us take a very similar type of test but with
hundreds
of questions, which makes it easier to make those sorts of determinations. It's not a perfect metric still and they're still working on it, but Carl Jung was a genius and was definitely on to something here in my view. I scoffed at these things for years until I actually learned something about the subject for myself.
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Marendil — 9 years ago(November 26, 2016 08:58 AM)
Agreed. Have you taken the DiSC or Gallup Strengthfinders 2.0 tests? I've had employers test me using those as well as MBTI. Interesting stuff.
Fascinating.
I don't know for certain if I've taken either of those tests, I studied them mostly. It's easy to remember things about the MBTI specifically due to its ubiquitous nature online thus I was already aware of it and curious about it.
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TheSinfulPoster — 9 years ago(November 26, 2016 09:40 AM)
Fascinating
Isn't it? I had one employer who brought in external consultants to train employees to communicate with different personality types based on DiSC.
On DiSC I scored high dominance (D) and influence (I), with compliance (C) next in line and sensitivity (S) nearly not registering
Which makes sense, but they'd reference other employees as being "C types," for example, so I always felt like a dick for being a "D," and indeed I am a dick. Very accurate model, fascinating stuff indeed.
Strengthfinders is kinda cool in that it IDs your top 5 strongest "traits" after taking ~100-200Q test w/ 10 seconds to complete each question. The premise is you ID your top 5 strengths and align your efforts toward maximizing those rather than focusing on areas you're naturally not talented in. I think I had 1) competitiveness, 2) strategic, 3) analytical, 4) "activator", and 5) "learner." So good, folks. And in a sense these traits per the model's definitions are very similar to traits exhibited by a textbook "ENTJ" in most MBTI models (which is what I always get, even on the online tests).
MBTI is definitely the most widely recognized of the 3, despite being the oldest. I interviewed w/ a hedge fund/cult (
Bridgewater
) in Connecticut were MBTI is used as part of the interview process, and they were very aroused by my results.
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Marendil — 9 years ago(November 26, 2016 12:59 PM)
Thank you for the information, I think we had this conversation before or you posted it in response to a different poster, as you're usually the one who posts this sort of thread as I recall. I can definitely see the value in those approaches and why you score as you do. Although I am mainly here to discuss the show you do keep me intrigued as to your purpose here and endgame sometimes!
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TheSinfulPoster — 9 years ago(November 26, 2016 01:57 PM)
Thank you for responding to this important topic. It is near and dear to me, in particular my results.
The show is relevant to this topic, Marendil. I'd posit Tywin is an ENTJ.
Tywin navigates through life based on a natural ease in controlling his environment and shaping it into what he wants from it, which is an effective rule, a great deal of financial assets, and forging allies. He looks at his ESFP son as a slacker, because he chooses the Kings Guard over something that would benefit the family. He is kind to Arya, because her blunt and assertive nature amuses him. He admires that shes intelligent, but he is so focused singularly on his goals that he doesnt realize who she actually is. She, meanwhile, learns from him. Clever girl.
He's lead by his Te but Fi makes an appearance when he finally gives Tyrion a little bit of respect "because you are my son". People really ought to be more concerned with how functions interact rather than "Whoa he's not a people person"
Tywin cannot be more of an INTJ when compared to, say, Ned. The reason he is obsessed with a family name is because he saw his father failing to preserve it and continuously embarrassing the Lannisters and took the job of restoring it to himself. He got this idea at an early age and Ni did the rest. So, no Si. He arranged the damn Red Wedding.
I sometimes wonder if Tywin might be an ISTJ, it's hard to say whether his narrow way of seeing things is due to the singular focus off Ni+Te or inferior Ne.
I enjoy discussing this topic with you, and will continue to do so for the remainder of your time here, or until the website stops operating, whichever comes first.
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Marendil — 9 years ago(November 26, 2016 05:01 PM)
Thank you for responding to this important topic. It is near and dear to me, in particular my results.
The show is relevant to this topic, Marendil. I'd posit Tywin is an ENTJ.
I agree that this topic is relevant the show, and I understand why Tywin could be seen as an ENTJ, I recall seeing at least one and perhaps more sites classify him as such, but I will dissent: I think it more likely he's a ESTJ. I think Charles Dance did such an exceptional job playing him and his regal patriarchal presence your first impression was probably not much different than mine: 'now
that
is a King!' However Tywin Lannister was not a King, and that fact didn't bother him much, even though he'd have made a much finer King than Robert.
His place was at Casterly Rock slowly but surely buying the Kingdom and increasing his family's position. Tradition made Robert the more legitimate heir and despite the fact it was Tywin's son sitting on the throne after Aerys died and his army controlling the capitol Tywin did his best to secure that position for King Robert. Instead he put his family's blood in the line of succession, the culmination of slow and steady progress from the position he inherited which was the scorn of his vassals after his father's spendthrift and vacillating ways.
Tywin navigates through life based on a natural ease in controlling his environment and shaping it into what he wants from it, which is an effective rule, a great deal of financial assets, and forging allies. He looks at his ESFP son as a slacker, because he chooses the Kings Guard over something that would benefit the family. He is kind to Arya, because her blunt and assertive nature amuses him. He admires that shes intelligent, but he is so focused singularly on his goals that he doesnt realize who she actually is. She, meanwhile, learns from him. Clever girl.
I think he was disappointed in both sons because he saw them as lazy and/or not living up to their family responsibilities. They are still his sons, and they are
Lannisters
so they are due that respect even from him if he has to choke on his bile sometimes, but they certainly don't take their positions as seriously as Tywin
knows
they ought. Look at how Arya came to be in his service, he came upon the prisoners at Harrenhal and saw all those wretched prisoners overflowing the cells and his first thought is 'put them to
work.
'
Tywin had blindspots, I don't see much evidence of intuition, indeed the opposite is the case in some important regards. He didn't see his own children falling in love despite the fact siblings mating was the practice of royalty in the Realm. He didn't even appear to consider the possibility Arya could be someone he could use even though he figured out she was not telling him the truth and was probably highborn. He was always dismissive of the possibility of threats from beyond the Wall outside Wildlings. He was unable to intuit the danger he was in during his last moments, perhaps because as he probably felt contempt towards his own father he'd
never
do what Tyrion did.
Consider his choices to command his armies. Would you choose Gregor Clegane and Jaime Lannister to command your armies? No analyst would, but to Tywin they were a loyal Knight who was his most dangerous soldier and the heir to Casterly Rock. His armies were ultimately successful because Tywin ensured he had numbers and equipment worthy of
Lannister
soldiers, but it wasn't any brilliant strategy that won his wars, it was waiting until the time was ripe or drowning the enemy in numbers.
He's lead by his Te but Fi makes an appearance when he finally gives Tyrion a little bit of respect "because you are my son". People really ought to be more concerned with how functions interact rather than "Whoa he's not a people person"
Tyrion was a
Lannister
even though he was a lazy mis-shapened drunken lecherous freak who was a disgrace to the family otherwise in Tywin's view. He would give Tyrion his due and was capable of recognizing his accomplishments as Tywin was capable of being brutally honest, even with himself.
Tywin cannot be more of an INTJ when compared to, say, Ned. The reason he is obsessed with a family name is because he saw his father failing to preserve it and continuously embarrassing the Lannisters and took the job of restoring it to himself. He got this idea at an early age and Ni did the rest. So, no Si. He arranged the damn Red Wedding.
I see an S-J at work there, the same quality which caused him to employ the likes of Gregor Clegane. A simple brutal solution which solved his problem. The Freys and Boltons did all the dirty work, all Tywin had to do is not object.
I sometimes wonder if Tywin might be an ISTJ, it's hard to say whether his narrow way of seeing things is due to the singular focus off Ni+Te or inferior Ne.
You know my answer above, I agree the T and J are the easiest to determine.
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TheSinfulPoster — 9 years ago(November 26, 2016 09:50 AM)
I believe you meant LBRL.
INTJs That's how you INTJs stay employed, by causing problems in government and then using your magical powers of analysis to solve those problems. A clever scheme.
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Marendil — 9 years ago(November 24, 2016 08:03 AM)
how do i do the test, all i see on google is some crappy personality sites with a load of crappy ads
But they're
free!
Take a bunch of them from different sites, the limited numbers of questions you get on the free ones make it easier to get a misclassification, but you can mitigate that possibility by taking a bunch of them and then seeing which one emerges as most common. Remember there's no wrong answers to any of the questions, even if you think some answers could only be given by a dipsht or someone who'd have to be deranged. So be perfectly
honest
and keep in mind this is simply an easy metric of something extraordinarily complex.
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Leo_ofRedKeep — 9 years ago(November 26, 2016 04:49 AM)
LNTE (Leonine, iNtuitive, Thinking, Eating)
Long may she reign
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