Finally finished Season 6…
-
A_l_a_c_h_u_a_1 — 9 years ago(November 13, 2016 06:07 PM)
haha, sorry - you're right. typing too fast and doing too many things at once. I got the name wrong - Lyanna
and yes, I know whom she ran off with - but it still wasn't clear in the show that "he" was the father. -
A_l_a_c_h_u_a_1 — 9 years ago(November 14, 2016 03:25 PM)
doing multiple things at that moment - including typing too fast at that very moment and getting distracted on what I was trying to articulate. That was what I was referring to. Don't see how that was acting like a freaking ass beep frog sucker monkey.
-
A_l_a_c_h_u_a_1 — 9 years ago(November 13, 2016 06:17 PM)
Robert is who I thought it was at first a while back - after reading comments on the board and knowing that Jon was not actually Ned's son, and was his sister's son. I thought that it would make sense that he was really Robert's son, as ever since the pilot episode Robert talked about how he had loved Ned's sister. But then I noticed postings on this board saying that Dani was Jon's "aunt" - and that is why I figured that Dani's other brother was really Jon's father, and Ned's sister his mother. Especially since (if I recall correctly) it is mentioned during Bran's vision when he sees young Ned, that Dani's brother and Ned's sister were together.
-
myselfandi — 9 years ago(November 13, 2016 06:57 PM)
Robert is who I thought it was at first a while back
Ah. Ok.
However, the Kingsguard wouldn't fight so hard to protect a child of Robert's nor would Lyanna be afraid of Robert finding out. Basically, Ser Arthur Dayne refusing Ned admittance to the tower would be only if something of Rhaegar was there to protect. -
don savant — 9 years ago(November 14, 2016 12:38 PM)
One could argue that maybe Robert knocked her up before she was kidnapped
One would be completely wrong too. What are you guys missing? HBO CONFIRMED that Rhaegar is absolutely the father. And yes, ALL EVIDENCE points to this. I feel like I'm taking crazy pills when I get on this board. -
myselfandi — 9 years ago(November 13, 2016 07:20 PM)
that Rhaegar is the one who fathered the baby isn't particularly clear in the show
That's true. I think in the recap there was mention of Lyanna running off with Rhaegar, but many viewers skip the recap. I had figured that was because there would be more about Lyanna and Rhaegar in season 7. That's not looking likely so I have no idea why D&D chose to be so obscure. -
Leo_ofRedKeep — 9 years ago(November 13, 2016 09:50 PM)
Can I just say that any father who can so lovingly interact with his daughter and then sit there while she gets taken out to burn on his orders has to be f^cking insane?
Half of what they do aims at getting people to talk about the show. Clear cut reveals are not the optimal way to achieve this.
Why do you think Sansa kept information from Jon all season? To get people to talk about it.
Long may she reign
http://i.imgur.com/BxJJSJZ.jpg -
A_l_a_c_h_u_a_1 — 9 years ago(November 14, 2016 03:28 PM)
If you only watch the show and weren't active on forums this wasn't that clear AT ALL. They mentioned it a couple of times in passing. But Rhaegar isn't the big deal he is in books or what fans make him out to be on fansites.
Thank you. And that was exactly my situation. I haven't read the books yet (only just started), and I wasn't active on forums or fansites until only recently when I started coming to this board after I started watching the show a few weeks ago. -
vjfoogie — 9 years ago(November 13, 2016 06:02 PM)
I mean we are supposed to assume it is Jon because of the cut to his face after that scene. Also, we are supposed to assume it is Rhagaer because of well.books. It is impossible to completely defend from just the show alone.
-
A_l_a_c_h_u_a_1 — 9 years ago(November 13, 2016 06:04 PM)
oh, okthat's what I was wondering and asking - if more was revealed in the books (I have only started reading the first one, and haven't gotten too far). I had assumed from reading things on this board that more was revealed about it in the actual show, but I was apparently wrong.
-
Iberian_Wolf — 9 years ago(November 14, 2016 08:08 AM)
but it wasn't revealed who the real father was
she was alone in a tower guarded by Arthur Dayne - Prince's Rhaegar's right hand man. to be more explicit she could only shout out the kid was/is the Prince's son.
And we were supposed to assume it was Jon(?)
the camera changed from the baby's eyes to Jon's eyes. do we really need it shouted out?! the baby and Jon are the same person, the camera work confirms this.
How do we know that Dani's brother is the real father
so you think the kid is Dayne's son? or the Mad King's? because basically with that flashback at the tower of joy if we exclude Rhaegar these 2 are the only people left who make sense.
Lydia is the real mother of Jon
again, the baby is Jon Snow it's very explicit. if the baby is Jon the mother can only be Lyanna since she is there all bloodied from giving birth to him.
Sean Bean has not died from Lightsaber related issues yetjust saying -
A_l_a_c_h_u_a_1 — 9 years ago(November 14, 2016 03:46 PM)
My question on this thread was never who Jon's mother was - I understand it to be Ned's sister.
I was questioning (or rather commenting) that they didn't make it specifically clear in the last episode (S6, ep 10) that she and Rhaegar were the true biological parents of Jon - (and a face shot to Jon right after they show the baby does not necessarily automatically mean that the baby is him - although I'm not arguing that it wasn't. And the face shot of Jon right after they show the baby also doesn't clearly mean his father is Rhaegar).
I'm by no means arguing your explanation - just commenting that it wasn't clearly stated just by watching the episode that that is the case. Maybe when/if I watch the season again it will be more apparent to me. -
Iberian_Wolf — 9 years ago(November 15, 2016 01:24 AM)
hi
from where I'm standing with everything we are told on the flashbacks, rumors, Robert's version and Ned's silence, we know for a fact that woman was Lyanna Stark and that place was the tower of Joy. We also know Rhaegar brought her there (fee will or not is the only mistery). again,
if we exclude Rhaegar
as the father the only way Arthur Dayne makes sense by being guarding Lyanna and not at the battles is: a)Dayne is Jon's father b) the Mad King is Jon's father.
the camera shot is not just from the baby to Jon's face, it's from the baby's eyes to Jon's eyes. not it's not explicit but it explains very well what we are looking at, I guess it's the show letting us reach the conclusion by ourselves instead of having Bran telling us what becomes obvious on that shot.
Also during the some scenes on some episodes the initials R L can be seen carved in wood behind Jon Snow. the clues have always been aroundthis parentage issue is not a last minute addition to the show. Nor can we look at it just by one episode when the subject (Jon's parents) is discussed since S01E01.
Sean Bean has not died from Lightsaber related issues yetjust saying
