Finally finished Season 6…
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A_l_a_c_h_u_a_1 — 9 years ago(November 14, 2016 03:28 PM)
If you only watch the show and weren't active on forums this wasn't that clear AT ALL. They mentioned it a couple of times in passing. But Rhaegar isn't the big deal he is in books or what fans make him out to be on fansites.
Thank you. And that was exactly my situation. I haven't read the books yet (only just started), and I wasn't active on forums or fansites until only recently when I started coming to this board after I started watching the show a few weeks ago. -
vjfoogie — 9 years ago(November 13, 2016 06:02 PM)
I mean we are supposed to assume it is Jon because of the cut to his face after that scene. Also, we are supposed to assume it is Rhagaer because of well.books. It is impossible to completely defend from just the show alone.
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A_l_a_c_h_u_a_1 — 9 years ago(November 13, 2016 06:04 PM)
oh, okthat's what I was wondering and asking - if more was revealed in the books (I have only started reading the first one, and haven't gotten too far). I had assumed from reading things on this board that more was revealed about it in the actual show, but I was apparently wrong.
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Iberian_Wolf — 9 years ago(November 14, 2016 08:08 AM)
but it wasn't revealed who the real father was
she was alone in a tower guarded by Arthur Dayne - Prince's Rhaegar's right hand man. to be more explicit she could only shout out the kid was/is the Prince's son.
And we were supposed to assume it was Jon(?)
the camera changed from the baby's eyes to Jon's eyes. do we really need it shouted out?! the baby and Jon are the same person, the camera work confirms this.
How do we know that Dani's brother is the real father
so you think the kid is Dayne's son? or the Mad King's? because basically with that flashback at the tower of joy if we exclude Rhaegar these 2 are the only people left who make sense.
Lydia is the real mother of Jon
again, the baby is Jon Snow it's very explicit. if the baby is Jon the mother can only be Lyanna since she is there all bloodied from giving birth to him.
Sean Bean has not died from Lightsaber related issues yetjust saying -
A_l_a_c_h_u_a_1 — 9 years ago(November 14, 2016 03:46 PM)
My question on this thread was never who Jon's mother was - I understand it to be Ned's sister.
I was questioning (or rather commenting) that they didn't make it specifically clear in the last episode (S6, ep 10) that she and Rhaegar were the true biological parents of Jon - (and a face shot to Jon right after they show the baby does not necessarily automatically mean that the baby is him - although I'm not arguing that it wasn't. And the face shot of Jon right after they show the baby also doesn't clearly mean his father is Rhaegar).
I'm by no means arguing your explanation - just commenting that it wasn't clearly stated just by watching the episode that that is the case. Maybe when/if I watch the season again it will be more apparent to me. -
Iberian_Wolf — 9 years ago(November 15, 2016 01:24 AM)
hi
from where I'm standing with everything we are told on the flashbacks, rumors, Robert's version and Ned's silence, we know for a fact that woman was Lyanna Stark and that place was the tower of Joy. We also know Rhaegar brought her there (fee will or not is the only mistery). again,
if we exclude Rhaegar
as the father the only way Arthur Dayne makes sense by being guarding Lyanna and not at the battles is: a)Dayne is Jon's father b) the Mad King is Jon's father.
the camera shot is not just from the baby to Jon's face, it's from the baby's eyes to Jon's eyes. not it's not explicit but it explains very well what we are looking at, I guess it's the show letting us reach the conclusion by ourselves instead of having Bran telling us what becomes obvious on that shot.
Also during the some scenes on some episodes the initials R L can be seen carved in wood behind Jon Snow. the clues have always been aroundthis parentage issue is not a last minute addition to the show. Nor can we look at it just by one episode when the subject (Jon's parents) is discussed since S01E01.
Sean Bean has not died from Lightsaber related issues yetjust saying -
Leo_ofRedKeep — 9 years ago(November 13, 2016 10:00 PM)
Watch this and decide if the show kept it all that hidden:
This video was made
before
Season 6 aired.
Long may she reign
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