Horrid movie
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Monknificent — 9 years ago(February 10, 2017 11:12 PM)
Whoever said I was a Democrat, btw? Just because I'm pointing out the flaws and evil currently emanating from the Republican side?
And as for picking sides and sticking to them, the ONLY side I would ever pick is the side of right vs wrong, good vs evil, justice vs opression. And because of course, it's not always as clear-cut as that, given the choice of one terrible situation over a less terrible, but still bad one, if I must absolutely pick, I will pick the lesser evil, while continuing to fight it if and as I can. However, if that evil is SO GREAT as to poison and threaten EVERYTHING around it, the core ethical and moral values of HUMANITY, and if that evil is turning the world UPSIDE DOWN by making fact into lies and lies into facts, I have to take a stand and refuse to choose, so that's how we get to resistance.
For me, this isn't about
winning as sport
, which it CLEARLY IS FOR TRUMP - all you have to do is look at his tweets and the moronic emphasis he puts on "winning", being a "winner", and the disdain he shows for those he perceives to be "a loser". No, for me winning is only important because I know where the alternative of losing THIS PARTICULAR FIGHT leads us.
I agree with you that "picking a side and forever staying loyal" to it, sticking to it through ANYthing, EVEN if your side is starting to do undefensible things, is a terrible idea, and I would never support that. It's partly what got America in this mess, Republicans voting for a scumbag they didn't like and in fact KNEW to be a scumbag, just because they looked at it as a partisan issue rather than a humanistic one. They CHOSE a despot and will come to regret it. Many already do.
But you've effectively admitted you're a turncoat, changing allegiances as the wind blows, and while that is a pretty pathetic way to go about your life, I can understand people voting with their interest, BUT HERE'S THE PROBLEM with that as it pertains to Trump: unless you're an old billionaire with no ethics and hugely questionable business practices hoping not to be uncovered and punished and assailed from many angles once all your dealing and double-dealings and promises and favours have been uncovered, then YOU ARE NOT BEING REPRESENTED BY DONALD TRUMP. So if you voted for Trump, you have just voted AGAINST ALL OF YOUR INTERESTS.
"It's too late Always has been, always will be
Too late." -
Stigger — 9 years ago(October 03, 2016 01:28 PM)
So you admit republicans are stupid rich drug addicts who steel money. Finally one admits it lol.
You can always count on some dumb Demo (i.e. Danny-Sichmeller) to come along and divert the topic away from Democrats to something irrelevant and/or erroneous about Republicans. -
snepts — 9 years ago(January 29, 2017 09:25 PM)
No reason to politicize this thread with some republican playbook hate. I swear it seems like some mission a bunch of mean-spirited reps like to jump in saying ridiculous things when no one even brought up politics. It's like a playbook. Say stupid crappy things every chance you get, just to pollute the atmosphere. Sheesh.
I'm not a woman much less Deanna Durbin, but the old-time glam-shot appeals to me. -
snepts — 9 years ago(January 31, 2017 01:51 PM)
I won't comment on CNN's role in this as it gets complicated, but every news source I heard after the dossier was leaked said it was not reliable. That's the difference.
When someone on the right decides it's time to slag a progressive, they send out the barking dogs and echo chambers and drum so loud as to convince their easy to please followers that anything emanating from fox is gospel. That's how Kerry got swift-boated, and HRC's accusing of murdering people to avoid email scrutiny. If someone on the left is foolish enough to use repub tactics against them, it surely does not surprise me.
I'm not a woman much less Deanna Durbin, but the old-time glam-shot appeals to me. -
justanicknamed — 9 years ago(February 01, 2017 06:46 AM)
I won't comment on CNN's role in this as it gets complicated, but every news source I heard after the dossier was leaked said it was not reliable. That's the difference.
Right. The difference is that buzzfeed new the report was fake, and CNN new the report was fake, but still published it in an attempt to discredit President Trump.
Reports used to get fired and stations used to lose their licenses for doing that. It is inexcusable and indefensible. Yet, we see it all of the time.
I'm not talking about getting duped - that can happen to anyone. I'm talking about KNOWING that the story isn't real and/or that the source isn't credible, but running with it regardless -
coughDANRATHERcough
When someone on the right decides it's time to slag a progressive, they send out the barking dogs and echo chambers and drum so loud as to convince their easy to please followers that anything emanating from fox is gospel.
How exactly is that any different than CNN, ABC, CBS, MSNBC, etc? They all have the fake head-lines and false narratives.
And, speaking of false narratives,
someone on the left is foolish enough to use repub tactics against them,
you do realize that Fox hasn't been around nearly as long as the liberal "news" networks, right? They were doing that crp long before Fox was around. As a matter of fact, it is BECAUSE they were doing that crp and pushing an agenda instead of simply reporting the news that Fox came into being.
The hate and lies come from the left. We were told that if we disagreed with 0bama's policies we were racists. Of course, liberals then went on to call Herman Cain, Dr. Ben Carson and all other black Conservatives "Uncle Tom's."
We're told that elections have consequences and 0bama won, so we have to deal with it. President Trump wins and the left is doing everything to discredit him and rioting.
We're told that we have to accept all people's beliefs including those of a full grown man who declare, but the left sure doesn't want to accept Christian's beliefs.
The left has a different (lower) set of standard for themselves than they do for everyone else. If they held themselves to the same set of standards, the country could heal and move forward.
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snepts — 9 years ago(February 01, 2017 09:46 AM)
This is where I respectfully disagree and will part ways. I feel strongly that fox has polluted the discourse and empowers the worst aspects of the right to come forward like bullies. You obviously see things differently, so there isn't much else to be said.
As far as Christian beliefs, we already have achieved a supposed secular society where no candidate can run for higher office w/o claiming to be Christian. It seems to be the more important thing is wearing the Christian badge than having Christian values to ward the poor and dispossessed. And I'm sure you see things differently.
I suppose if pigs had wings they would make for better target practice? Haha.
Gonna be an ugly next four years, that's for sure.
I'm not a woman much less Deanna Durbin, but the old-time glam-shot appeals to me. -
justanicknamed — 9 years ago(February 01, 2017 10:54 AM)
I feel strongly that fox has polluted the discourse and empowers the worst aspects of the right to come forward like bullies.
The problem is, that isn't supported by any means. Again, stations used to lose their licenses for publishing/reporting news they knew to be fake. CNN admitted they knew the story was fake and published it any way. That isn't the first time they've done it and won't be the last.
As far as the "bullies" go, what about what Hillary ad Debbie Wasserman-Schultz did to Bernie Sanders and his supporters? How about Hillary hiring mentally ill people to disrupt Trump rallies? Would you please show me the huge riots after the 1996 or 2008 elections? Would you show me the celebrities in 2008 who said "Eff you" to people who disagree with them? Or the ones back then who thought about blowing up the WH? How about all of the violence in the Tea Party rallies? Oh, wait. There wasn't anything significant compared to the riots, rapes and vandalism of the Occupy Wall St. movement.
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snepts — 9 years ago(February 01, 2017 04:29 PM)
I'm not a young person. I've observed politics and social movements for a long time. Listening to you, you sound like the right wing echo chambers. You hear all these bad things that are either outright lies or perversions of the truth and you believe them whole-heartedly w/o a critical eye. I can't change that. So just don't reply to me anymore. There are so many people just like you I find it dis-heartening for the future of rational discourse. Good luck to you. Most progressive people I know don't even bother to get involved in these sorts of debates because it's a waste of time. Repubs seem to enjoy it while the progressive side doesn't. Hiring mentally ill people? Of course, (sarcasm). Just silly and that's being kind. If people are rioting it's because a lot of people are genuinely upset being under the thumb of an unstable narcissist, and then a bunch of apolitical thugs just use that as a smokescreen to create mayhem. But people like you and your ilk twist it as if liberals are out there burning cars. People are rightly upset about this electoral outcome. People were calm during the Obama years because we felt like we had a cool headed leader. Trump can't stand anything that doesn't make him look like the most popular person in history and responds to criticism like a petulant 7th grader. He's an awful person and anyone who doesn't see that has bizarre views about what it's like to be a human being.
But like I said, I'm not going to continue this so respond or not au revoir.
I'm not a woman much less Deanna Durbin, but the old-time glam-shot appeals to me. -
justanicknamed — 9 years ago(February 02, 2017 06:12 AM)
You hear all these bad things that are either outright lies or perversions of the truth and you believe them whole-heartedly w/o a critical eye.
Right. So everything you disagree with is a lie.
There are so many people just like you I find it dis-heartening for the future of rational discourse.
What discourse? You've not addressed any of the points I've made. You cite bullying by the right, but refuse to address the bullying done by the left. How about the snowflakes at Berkeley who just rioted rather than have someone of a different mind-set speak?
Hiring mentally ill people? Of course
This is the real reason why progressives don't get into discussions with Conservatives - they hate to lose.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/oct/18/undercover-video-shows-democrats-saying-they-hire-/
http://nypost.com/2016/10/18/trump-rally-disrupter-was-once-on-clinton-campaigns-payroll/
If people are rioting it's because a lot of people are genuinely upset being under the thumb of an unstable narcissist,
No, Hillary didn't win.
then a bunch of apolitical thugs just use that as a smokescreen to create mayhem.
And, for "some reason" they ONLY do that with the lefties. It is almost like the lefties are hate-filled, hypocritical bigots who are easily moved to violence.
But people like you and your ilk twist it as if liberals are out there burning cars.
Birds of a feather. If it really isn't your ilk doing this or simply accepting of it, then you need to stand up and speak against it. Of course, that takes having a back-bone, and it is obvious by your squirming around the points I make that you have none.
People were calm during the Obama years because we felt like we had a cool headed leader.
No, Conservatives were calm because we accept how the government works and use the power to stop 0bama when we can. Liberals were calm because they loved their lord and master and blindly accepted whatever he sh!t out, such as a law which, for the first time EVER, taxed us for NOT buying something.
Trump can't stand anything that doesn't make him look like the most popular person in history and responds to criticism like a petulant 7th grader
No way in the world you are ever going to bother looking into the reports of 0bama's temper tantrums and antics, or how Hillary treated people who worked for her, is there?
He's an awful person
But he's still 10,000,000 times better than Hillary was. She lusted after power her entire life. That makes her the exact person to NEVER have power.
But like I said, I'm not going to continue this so respond or not au revoir.
That doesn't surprise me. You see the typical, cowardly, ill-informed liberal who won't question anything the left-wing media spews because you can't think for yourself. -
snepts — 9 years ago(February 02, 2017 07:03 PM)
And I never once called you names. Talk about bullying. Just because you think black is white and up is down doesn't make it so. At best I call it a disagreement, but you act like you are some objective seer who knows all, when all you are doing is repeating garbage other people have told you to regurgitate. Snowflake? What's that supposed to mean? Do you come up with that, or did you see that on some repub hate column and thought it was fun to repeat? If I'm so low-intelligence, a hypocritical moron, why do you bother? Because you enjoy belittling people. Go speak to your own overlords and pray they bestow their ill-gotten gains and hope for a white power, gun-toting one-party, nazi amerika. Why build a wall, just bomb Mexico on the way to Iran and Syria. Dick Cheney will make a lot of money. I'm sorry but the right is all about calumny and venality.
Nixon had Watgergate, Reagan tore down the middle class and the social safety nets, W created endless war. What do repubs have to be proud of? Hell , Dems abandoned the South because of racism and repubs were more than happy to swoop in just to gain real estate, damn the moral consequences.
And I don't refute your points because they aren't worth responding to. If you cherry pick some article just to justify your point, it means nothing. An apology could be published the next day, but you're not going to acknowledge that. I'm sorry, but you aren't thoughtful or conciliatory. It's your way or no way. And on top of it you are rude. If your points should be taken seriously, you should present them seriously. Instead you make ridiculous statements that even George Will or David Brooks wouldn't give the time of day. Just hangout with such brilliant sober-minded scholars like Limbaugh, O' Reilly, and Hannity.
But I still haven't personally called you any names. Good god ! You are a hateful person. I get an email. I deleted it. Then I took a couple hours off and was curious whether you might have taken a pleasant course. And it gets worse. So if you want to amuse yourself by being a d**k go ahead.
I'm just glad everyone else I speak to seems to be thoughtful and polite.
I'm not a woman much less Deanna Durbin, but the old-time glam-shot appeals to me. -
justanicknamed — 9 years ago(February 03, 2017 07:10 AM)
Talk about bullying.
Yes, I did. I gave you specific examples of the hypocrisy of the left where Hillary and others are the bullies, including your ilk which rioted rather than allow free speech.
You, on the other hand, cannot give actual examples of it from the right.
At best I call it a disagreement
That's because you know your position is wrong, and therefore won't go into a deep discussion about it.
Do you come up with that, or did you see that on some repub hate column and thought it was fun to repeat?
Again, CNN posts a story which they KNOW to be false, and you somehow "think" the right spews the hate.
If I'm so low-intelligence, a hypocritical moron, why do you bother?
There is no "if" here. Why do I bother? Because there is always a chance, usually extremely small, that someone like you possesses enough intelligence that they are willing to open their minds and not simply accept what their liberal masters have told them is the truth. I always hope that when someone like you is shown the truth, such as how Hillary ACTUALLY bullied people, you would question the liberal play book you recite. Alas
Go speak to your own overlords and pray they bestow their ill-gotten gains and hope for a white power, gun-toting one-party, nazi amerika.
You just PERFECTLY described the democrats. Hillary takes bribes for her wealth, you just ran two old, white people for POTUS, Hillary, Pelosi and the rest of the ilk all love the guns which they have to protect themselves (while wanting to make it harder/take them away from the average American) and, as we see from the riots going on, they are more like the nazi's than anyone else.
You really should stop while you are behind.
I'm sorry but the right is all about calumny and venality.
0bama could have withdrawn troops any time he wanted. Instead, he kept it going for 8 years. Plus, he helped take out allies and destabilize the area, and emboldened the enemy.
Nixon had Watgergate,
Clinton had White Water.
Reagan tore down the middle class and the social safety nets,
Reagan & Bush's policies had a huge impact upon the growth of the country. You are probably too young to remember how bad things were in the 70's. Reagan & Bush opened things up and the economy boomed all of the way through Clinton's reign. But, you aren't interested in facts.
W created endless war.
Not only could 0bama have ended the war any time, but most dims were quite in favor of the war, including both Clinton's. But, that doesn't fit your narrative.
Dems abandoned the South because of racism
If only the dims abandoned racism.
And I don't refute your points because they aren't worth responding to.
Spoken like the true, pathetic putz who is afraid to try have a discussion because they know they will be shown to be wrong and stupid.
If you cherry pick some article just to justify your point, it means nothing
What apology? They flat out said when they published it that they knew it was fake. Anyone with any moral character would denounce them immediately for doing such a thing. Of course, I understand why you don't
I'm sorry, but you aren't thoughtful or conciliatory.
I'm very thoughtful to people who have thoughts and can support them with facts and logic. People who spew lies, hatred, ignorance and refuse to support their hatred with any facts aren't worth me being thoughtful of. And, why should I be conciliatory? I'm right and there is nothing to gain from being conciliatory to someone who cannot support their points. A discussion is give-and-take, and you've not had any of that. You spew your hateful talking points and cannot give any thought to my actual points.
Instead you make ridiculous statements that even George Will or David Brooks wouldn't give the time of day
You mean the dried-up, old establishment prunes?
Just hangout with such brilliant sober-minded scholars like Limbaugh, O' Reilly, and Hannity.
Yeah, they are so brilliant that they correctly predicted President Trump would win.
I'm just glad everyone else I speak to seems to be thoughtful and polite.
Are they liberals like you, or just RINO? Because if you speak to anyone who has a back-bone the way you speak her, I'm sure you get b!tch slapped like you do here.
If you are going to engage in a discussion, don't just spout off the cr*p your masters tell you to. Actually read about it from all sides and form your own opinion. When you do that, you won't be afraid to discuss the points made.
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snepts — 9 years ago(January 31, 2017 01:52 PM)
I won't comment on CNN's role in this as it gets complicated, but every news source I heard after the dossier was leaked said it was not reliable. That's the difference.
When someone on the right decides it's time to slag a progressive, they send out the barking dogs and echo chambers and drum so loud as to convince their easy to please followers that anything emanating from fox is gospel. That's how Kerry got swift-boated, and HRC's accusing of murdering people to avoid email scrutiny. If someone on the left is foolish enough to use repub tactics against them, it surely does not surprise me.
I'm not a woman much less Deanna Durbin, but the old-time glam-shot appeals to me. -
Monknificent — 9 years ago(February 09, 2017 04:34 PM)
So let me get this right: are you in any way taking away from this film that Scorsese condoned any of Belfort's pathetic behaviour?
At the very least, it certainly looks like
you
condone it, and possibly admire it. The American dream, eh? Make as much money as you can, no matter how many people you have to rip off and damage along the way, eh? "America first"!
"It's too late Always has been, always will be
Too late." -
tony525 — 9 years ago(February 13, 2017 04:18 PM)
I'm a 'wussy' democrat and I hated it. Nothing but sex and foul language. Wait! Perfect for Trump supporters! I couldn't watch the whole thing either. And WTF does politics have to do with it? You half-wit You!
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justanicknamed — 10 years ago(March 06, 2016 02:16 PM)
Yeah, it isn't for everyone. The main character is an anti-hero. You feel bad rooting for him when you know he isn't a good person. So, without someone to actually root for, you are just watching a bad person do bad things.
But, if you think it was a movie just for horny men, then it means you are pretty shallow and immature.