Gay bashers: explain your reasoning.
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rrb — 14 years ago(September 01, 2011 10:47 PM)
What "special treatment" are you talking about? The special treatment that prevents us from marrying, like any other citizen? The special treatment that, until a few weeks ago, prevented us from serving our country in the military? The special treatment that's gotten us beaten, killed and fired from jobs for no other reason than b/c we're gay?
You claim you don't bash gays, but you come to this board and do exactly that with your post, claiming we manipulatively seek some unnamed "special treatment." Your incoherent ravings about the origins of sexuality (to say nothing of laughably rank misusage like "hypercritical") show you to be none too bright. "If you were to get justten [gay men], they would all have a different story"about what? How they came to be gay? Do you know how you came to be straight? What's your point here?
"But should they get special treatment because political correctness is on their side while others stay in their "closets" or control/handle their issues?" More incoherence, more "special treatment" accusations. Again, what are you trying to say here? That gays who are stay in the closet, or as you say, "control/handle their issues," (how is leading a double life in the closet "controling/handling" their sexuality?) are better than those who are out?
If Lousville88's comments are representative of the right's arguments against gay rights, our movement is in very good shape. -
hadmatter — 14 years ago(January 03, 2012 02:01 PM)
marriage?
He never used the word marriage.
lol, you are one dishonest queer,i can tell
Awesome. You must be super smart. How about you show how he was dishonest?
By the way, jackass, you've been reported for hate speech.
I am the sod-off shotgun. -
SimplemindedSociety — 11 years ago(May 11, 2014 06:24 PM)
'What "special treatment" are you talking about? The special treatment that prevents us from marrying, like any other citizen? The special treatment that, until a few weeks ago, prevented us from serving our country in the military? The special treatment that's gotten us beaten, killed and fired from jobs for no other reason than b/c we're gay?'
You're not listening because you don't wish to and regardless of the reasoning, it will be dismissed. Being beaten, fired, serving in the military, this and that, is not comparable to the argument for the right to marry.
The word "equal" is only a word, and yet a word that is being relied on to satisfy a request that is not a parallel to marriage. We could assign the word "equal right" to anything we want, then.. Where does the "equal rights" start and end?
Then when 'equality' does not convince, we throw in the word "discimination". You are assuming that denying marriage rights to homosexuals is demeaning to them as people. That is not true. It's not a matter of superior/inferior but different.
It'a also not about consenting adults; consenting adults are not allowed to do anything unless it's lawful. This idea of "how does it affect your life" is selfish in it's own way. Not everything we enforce or believe in directly affects every person's life at that moment. And it's not about who makes the better parent; that does not change the institution of marriage either
And would it blow you mind if some homosexuals are against gay marriage?
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jaroslaw99 — 9 years ago(November 02, 2016 02:05 PM)
Simpleminded society - Obviously I wish I had seen your post before marriage equality became the law of the land but since I didn't, I want to address what you did write. You say "adults can only do what is lawful." The problem with your statement is the state (meaning government) is only supposed to limit freedom for very good reasons. I think children should be in bed by 8:30 pm up to high school age, and it is an excellent idea, but I can't make a law like that. Plenty of children stay up later and seem to be okay. SCOTUS finally decided that same sex attracted people are citizens worthy of equal protection of the laws and there is no reason (religion notwithstanding) to deny marriage.
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stefanheikel — 14 years ago(September 04, 2011 03:17 PM)
"And then deny "rights" to another group that does not have political correctness on their side."
What "rights" are being deied to whom? Do you mean the religious right now looking more and more outdated since homosexuality is much more mainstream now? It's called the first amendment. They can say/believe anything they want but they have NO right to force their beliefs onto me via legislation.
"First off, there is not ANY hard evidence linking homosexuality to some sort of birth issue and that's it. It's not a nature v.s. nurture it's a nature and nurture."
There is strong evidence linking genetics to homosexuality though. Regardless, homosexuality is not a choice and cannot be changed, as cited by dozens of professional, credible organizations (religiously based organizations need not apply).
"Having met and interviewed hundreds, there is not a "one way" answer."
Please elaborate on this.
"to say that they are born this way and should be allowed to do whatever is pure prejuidice and hypercritical to the other groups of people who can claim just the same."
Are you talking about alcoholics, pedophiles, etc? That's not a valid comparison because those conditions are harmful to the person/other people. Homosexuality is about love between two consenting adults. Also, please do not mention anything about AIDS or anal sex because such issues are outdated (AIDS is still an issue in our community, but it is prevelant in other communities too).
"But should they get special treatment because political correctness is on their side while others stay in their "closets" or control/handle their issues? No."
As rrb said, what "special treatment"? This is a common claim from anti-gay persons and frankly it's getting tiresome. The only things we want are to have our relationships held up to the same level of legal protection/respect as straight relationships, discrimination protections in employment, housing, accomedation, etc., and anti-bullying protections/programs for schools (GLBT youth are four times more likely to commit suicide then straight youth). We already have national hate crimes laws and open military service so we have made much progress. As far as acceptance, that will come in time. Just look at Generation Y (those under 30), and it's not hard to see that the future is on our side. -
Emmywins305 — 12 years ago(November 09, 2013 08:24 PM)
Louisville 88,
You ARE bashing gays. Gays DO NOT get special treatment. In fact, they still have less rights than straight people! Marriage rights, hospital visits, inheritancethese are just some of the issues straight people don't have to worry about. If you think gays get special treatment, then I dare you to change lives with an openly gay man in the BIBLE BELT for ONE YEAR and see the "so-called" special treatment you get. I doubt you'd even last for one month.
By the way, the word is hypocritical not hypercritical. Learn to type correctly if you're gonna post. -
sutava-1 — 10 years ago(March 03, 2016 04:14 PM)
"I will not listen to people stand on soap boxes and make speeches like, "Equality for all." And then deny "rights" to another group that does not have political correctness on their side. "
Spot on!!! Gays are the biggest hate filled bigots of all when it comes to "tolerating" other peoples opinions about their sexuality. -
Sweetest99 — 10 years ago(March 12, 2016 04:17 PM)
No. Sex, race and sexual orientation are inseparable from any human being's essence and existence. To have a negative opinion of another's sex, race or sexual orientation regardless of that opinion's basis is to hate that person's essence. That is what makes us who we are. To have a negative opinion of how one expresses love for another is in the last rung on the bigotry ladder right alongside hating someone for their sex or their race. You cannot get around this in looking for an excuse for your bigotry.
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lkillen — 14 years ago(May 01, 2011 12:16 AM)
I am not deciding what is normal. A few million years of evolution got the jump on me.
Is it any shocker to you that the anal tract is use to eject from the body what it does not want? Is it a shock to you that the attractive force of sex is to result in procreation? Why is it so hard to understand what we are? Normal heterosexuals do not have to do gymnastics to explain what they are. Homosexuals do. Does not that tell you anything?
Look, my point is NOT that these people are evil. They are not. But are they living as human qua human? No! I am missing an index finger on one hand that was cut off in a motorcycle chain. Is that hand normal? Hell no. Should my hand be granted special rights? I don't think so. Should I demand that others regard my hand as "normal" so as not to make me feel insecure (I cut it off when I was only 15 yo while racing motocross)!!? They didn't and I learnt to get over it and move on.
SSA is not normal. It is an anathema to our biology as my missing finger is to a normal hand. When people live outside their biological make-up, it is an early indication that they require therapy. If a man went to a psychiatrist and told the doctor that he was a horse and left with a prescription for a saddle, would not the doctor be guilty of mal-practice? When the body, which is reasonably immutable, disagrees with the mind which should never be immutable, would not it be that the mind should follow the body?
But how many support the silliness of a transgendered(sic) to have surgery and be drowned in carcegenic hormones when every cell in that persons body knows it's sex. Or maybe we should just saddle him up. (or ride em bare back yahoo!!)
Look people - wake up. All of this is mental illness. Anyone that validates you is simply selling you horse manure(and a saddle). Men are hardwired to love women and vice versa. Anything else is damaged goods but not repairable. That is the beauty of the human mind. Unless severely damaged, it is extremely fixable. -
Emmywins305 — 12 years ago(November 09, 2013 07:55 PM)
Is it any shocker to you that the anal tract is use to eject from the body what it does not want?
What's your point? If you're implying that only gays engage in anal sex, you're seriously misinformed. A lot of gays don't like it and don't even do it. Plus survey says that 1/3 of college women have tried it and 2/3 of married women have tried it. The majority of straight men I know have said they like it and want to do it as long as it's with a woman. You're argument has failed.
But how many support the silliness of a transgendered(sic) to have surgery and be drowned in carcegenic hormones when every cell in that persons body knows it's sex.
If you would watch videos on YouTube about transgendered children and teens, you would find that most of them don't feel at home in the gender they were born with and even want to commit suicide because of it. Is it worth keeping them in that miserable and even suicidal state just so YOU can sleep at night? I've never heard of anything so stupid.
Look people - wake up. All of this is mental illness.
The only mental illness I can see is when people obsess about what others do in their bedrooms that has nothing to do with YOU. For someone who's so against homosexuality, you sure spend alot of time on the board of a gay movie. If you hate it so much, don't you have better things to do? I hate The Passion of the Christ, but I don't spend much time on those boards because I feel it's not even worth my time. Maybe you have some personal issues that you haven't come to terms with yet and you mask them by attacking homosexuality. -
Emmywins305 — 12 years ago(November 09, 2013 08:04 PM)
Men are hardwired to love women and vice versa.
And I suppose left-handed people are meant to write with their right hand just because most people are right-handed? If you saw The King's Speech, the king stuttered and went to see a speech therapist. The therapist noticed that he was writing uncomforably with his right hand and asked him if he was really left-handed. The king said that as a child, he was punished for writing with his left hand and was forced to write with his right. The therapist responded that that was very common amongst stutterers-many were really lefties who were forced to become righties. It's analagous to homosexuality. You can force gays to change their behavior, but on the inside they'll be miserable and uncomfortable and it could damage them in unimaginable ways. Think about it. How would YOU like it if others tried to change something about you that you couldn't help but did no harm to others. Just because you're in the majority doesn't mean your superior to a minority group. -
lkillen — 14 years ago(May 04, 2011 09:38 PM)
First - that is homosexual propaganda.
But do you really want to defend your position from the animal kingdom?
Dogs sniff and eat other dogs poop. Dogs sniff each others buttholes. Cats eat their after-birth, including any stillborns.
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citromle — 14 years ago(May 04, 2011 09:52 PM)
as a result of evolution. Which was the main thing you used to support your views. But anyway, does this mean you don't believe in contraception either? If procreation is the point of sex
I know you won't, but maybe if you actually read a bit more about (human) evolution and (human) sexuality you'd see things are never that black and white.
If you're troll, this still wasn't a waste of time for me as I have an english language exam in about an hour so at least I can count this as practice!
I am confused. Why does Ross, the largest 'Friend' not simply eat the others? -
appalonia — 13 years ago(September 24, 2012 04:44 PM)
i believe yorktom58 was making the point that homosexuality does exist in the animal kingdom. could you explain that? oh i knowmaybe the animals choose to be gayjust like you said. LOL
and as for that anal tract remarkhello straight people practice anal sex too so don't even try to push that off that it's just a homosexual thing
you've totally missed the point every single timeas a straight person you are allowed to marry the person you loveyou don't have to worry about being fired because of your sexuality but lgbt people do face that issuedoesn't matter if they have been with their partners for 30 years or more.if the one partner diesthey can't get the pension of the other one. they aren't protected and that is wrong. they would be legally married if they could. when i was young my grandparentsyes who were straight but advocates for equality always told me that marriage was for 2 people that loved eachother.that was it. they never specified gender and i grew up believing that. i still do. i see nothing wrong with defining marriage as "2 people who love eachother making a lifelong commitment to one another."
to make a long story shorti think you should have to walk a mile in another person's shoesthen you'll know how it truly feels. society can be cruel to people who are differentsimply because they are afraid but you know whatthere is nothing wrong with being differentdifferent is neither good nor badit's just different and i for one enjoy being different.
you laugh because i'm different.i laugh because you're all the same