I think the problem the OP had is that the movie actually stirred something inside him and he found himself (gasp!) resp
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wyliec — 13 years ago(October 12, 2012 08:26 PM)
Unfortunately this thread reflect ignorance and selfishness to the utmost degree.
If this film was propoganda, what was the message? This film was about everyday people respecting everyday people that go into harm's way based on a pledge to protect the everday people in their country.
If the baggage handlers, airline attendants and pilot paid respect, it was their own volition, not propoganda.
Was the parents' grief propoganda? No, nothing could be less war or death glorifying than depicting a single family's grief of their child/sibling.
If you don't understand the rationale to honor a person that took a pledge to protect you and died, then you have zero morality and a mindset that only regards "what's in it for you". You have no honor and are capable of no honor. -
MrPlumberman — 13 years ago(August 24, 2012 06:20 PM)
"War is hell, but there is only one country in the WORLD that cares enough about democracy and freedom to stand in the gap, and it is the United States of America"
I'm sure you actually believe that. It's ok, you don't have all the facts so I'll let it slide. It does however examplify how Americans are misled by their government. You are a prime example of someone completely indoctrinated and that has some value I suppose. -
trentyf — 13 years ago(October 23, 2012 05:11 PM)
For the life of me, I could never comprehend why 'educated' and enlightened fellows such as yourself constantly resort to arrogance and smugness? I'm in the Navy, just signed up actually, and I was seriously considering trying to get into a combat role once i got in. Viewing this movie made me question how I feel about dying for this country. After some time I arrived to the conclusion that I would if I ever had to. See, the thing is, while your type hides behind eloquence and superficial rantings, others put their lives on the line for what they believe in because it's what the think is true, similar to how you think your belief is the truth.
My father once said to me that he doesn't serve the American government or private corporation interest but instead he serves the American public. That's what you would never understand. Screw politics and propaganda and all that comes with it because that has nothing and I mean nothing to do with service. Service is about wanting to protect something that YOU feel is worth protecting even if that thing is completely wrong or evil. The most intriguing part is the idea of what is 'right' or 'wrong' because their definitions are completely subjective. That being said, it can be concluded that there is no right or wrong but instead peoples separate interpretations of right or wrong. Until we learn to respect other peoples interpretations as equivocal to our own then we could never have any kind of lasting peace. I say this to say that your smug condescension of the beliefs of an "indoctrinated American" is the same beast that creates the war and ideologies that you so clearly despise.
In conclusion,I just mean to say, stop thinking of yourself as superior to everyone else and respect their viewpoint as equal to your own because it's just as valid as your own and then maybe, just maybe, this world would become a better place in which young men like Chance Phelps get to live rich and full lives instead of losing it in a meaningless war.
Oh one last thing, Americans are misled by their government? Name me one country, empire, nation, or leadership institution that didn't mislead it's people and I will worship you as if you were a golden deity. People seem to forget that America hasn't done anything any other nation hasn't done before. Exploit, kill, profit is the motto for anything national my friend. -
britonswantsyou — 13 years ago(August 25, 2012 09:27 AM)
Well, it isn't war propaganda, it isn't propaganda for the democrats, it isn't propaganda for the republicans
But, what you fail to comprehend is that Patriotism is political.
And this movie is 100% about giving a patriotic message, thus it is infact propaganda. -
wyliec — 12 years ago(May 16, 2013 06:57 PM)
britonswankyou - another clueless response. This movie had NOTHING to do with patriotism. I specifically shows the personal cost of war - friends, family and his brothers in arms. One cannot see this cost, and know it is repeated thousands of times, without questioning the rationale that put our sworn protectors in this position.
This movie does not glorify death, rather it shows the understanding of those surrounding this soldier's final journey that for him, all of his and his family's hopes, dreams and ambitions were ended. Raw, unfinished, a song stopped early in playing never to be finished.
This movie is about a personal commitment and steadfastness to stand by that commitment to death - not that death was desired.
OP plays on kitschy clichs in an attempt to cheapen the respect that such a commitment entails. OP probably laughs at "'till death do us part". OP and supporters fall into the category of when the going gets tough, we find someone to hide behind. Ultimately, in this case, the OP and ilk didn't feel a need for protection. If they had, they would have been scurrying around looking for a Chance Phelps to protect them. -
lehyrusaf — 12 years ago(November 09, 2013 08:26 PM)
The author of the original message has obviously NEVER served his/her country in ANY capacity. I spent 26 proud years in USAF and I am saddened that any American would be so uncaring as to voice such opinions. By providing escort services as depicted in the film, we as a nation are giving our final farewell to a fallen service member.
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marbleann — 12 years ago(November 23, 2013 06:37 AM)
Oh I get the OP, unfortunately. He is someone who obviously was one of those people who agreed with George Bush when he decided not to let people see all of those dead soldiers coming in at Dover Airport because he knew that was what turned the tied against the Vietnam War in this country. That is the reaon Bush stopped it. He knew how the public would react.
During Vietnam they started to show the body bags coming in on the planes in Dover and people were so affected by it that people who were previously supportive of the war turned against it. Looking at this movie you can see why. And this is just one person.
Night after night on the news we would see teenagers and other young men being unloaded form Vietnam at Dover. The OP knew how powerful this movie is and that is why he called it propaganda. I say Obama should reverse the policy Bush starter and people will see how fast all of men and women are pulled out of Afghanistan, Iraq and all other places we are fighting. -
drjeff21 — 12 years ago(March 29, 2014 06:03 AM)
I served some years ago, was shot five times and was decorated. I also participated in an honor guard much like in the movie. I feel it was all a waste now, but not for the reasons that some of you may think. I feel it was a waste because more and more of you people are not worth serving or defending.
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calcaneus67 — 11 years ago(November 14, 2014 11:59 AM)
You don't seem to understand what propaganda means. What exactly in this movie is supposed to make anybody want to join the military and go to war? Nothing as far as I can tell. How is a culture showing respect for a dead marine propaganda if that particular culture actually does show respect for dead marine's etc. ? Propaganda movies are more like the old John Wayne movies, Rambo and Chuck Norris movies. Taking Chance doesn't depict enemies or glorify battles it just shows the aftermath of war.