Todd Phillips is backtracking about Arthur Fleck never being the real Joker
-
Archived from the IMDb Discussion Forums — Joker: Folie à Deux
Gemini — 1 year ago(October 10, 2024 12:55 PM)
If that is the case, then why even bring The Wayne's into the first movie and giving Arthur the clown face? And he did advertise back when the first movie came out that it was an origin story of the Joker? Why even bring young Bruce Wayne into the whole thing?
This is so stupid. -
Hepocles — 1 year ago(October 10, 2024 01:05 PM)
Studio wanted to bank money based on the success of the first film but also wanted to distance itself from the incel accusations.
Any sequel to the Joker should have been about his rise to power as a criminal
Alba gu bràth -
∂³∑x² — 1 year ago(October 10, 2024 01:41 PM)
It's a very smart and dumb way to play a series of jokes on the audience Donna
There's those, like me, who dismissed the first Joker movie as a bad Elseworlds story due to the ending.
Then there's those who loved it because they hadn't seen the same movie, already done and much better, in Taxi Driver and The King of Comedy and felt that this original antihero story had some legs and maybe this is a new way of deconstructing intensity and identity.
And finally there are those who would never see it, but didn't like the fact it gave those dirty, filthy n̶i̶g̶g̶e̶r̶s̶ incels a thing to rally around. Those Trump supporters! Let's see them shoot up another cinema like they did in Aurora, Colorado so we cn laugh and say that we all saw it coming. It was already inevitable you little pricks. Suck the girl cock and die!
The movie did so well, with too little invested from Warner Brothers, that a sequel was a guaranteed cash cow.
Folk, like me, knew it was destined to fail. It wasn't a comic book movie and so couldn't work in those settings. Taxi Driver and The King of Comedy didn't have sequels. What could Todd Phillips do? A musical with Harley? But Bruce isn't yet Batman, the Joker is missing his prestige.
Those who enjoyed their first anti-hero story? Well, there's a reason sequels aren't made to The Dear Hunter, Fight Club or Old Boy. Their story has been told. Anything you may have interpreted from the first film can only be washed away in the mix. Sure you can call the recent Deadpool movie a Logan sequel if you hammer away at it in a comical manner with plenty of science fictiony tropes. Any sequels to The Crow had to have completely new characters and none of them were done right - and they had magic! The Dollars Trilogy? If you squint and believe the marketing that works, but the lead in each actually has a different name. That was trope definition rather than establishing a through line of story.
Well the journos, the journos were now in the pocket of the marketing machine and so had to lay off on the incel bashing (Even though they still really wanted to). But even not being able to trying to incite the next Armageddon, even at that it's hard to call this film good and still be seen out in public as anyone who knows about cinema. It was convenient for them to flex and show their knowledge of cinematic artistic output and how this film lacked any of it. They weren't happy, but at least they knew the incels weren't either.
Which brings us back to Warner Brothers. The entire reason for there being a Joker universe existing in the first place. They coughed up the dough on this one hoping for a return, but insteead of eggy bread the yolk's on them!
The Joker can never have an origins story the same way that Batman will always have to live with his parents murdered. Thems the only rules.
So Todd Phillips is just trying to apologise for making some weirdos on the Internet think that his Joker film was good by purposefully making a bad one.
It's quite funny, if it wasn't so sad
Call me ∑ -
∂³∑x² — 1 year ago(October 10, 2024 09:54 PM)
I'm glad to hear that Donna, the folks saying it are not a nice bunch
Turns out these hateful people couldn't be calling anyone they didn't like n̶i̶g̶g̶e̶r̶s̶ anymore and so they found a new word, one which will be looked down upon one day, and used that as often as possible instead.
Good news, less racism. Bad news, same amount of hate.
So grab it while it's hot and allowed! Incel is the thing you'll be telling people one day that you'd never say it to anyone but until that day it's open season.
Don't forget everything is logged on the Internet and so it will come back to bite you on the ass
Call me ∑ -
Gemini — 1 year ago(October 10, 2024 09:58 PM)
All I can say is that it started off as a great idea but then crashed and burned after the director seemed to have second thoughts about making more of these Joker films. They even introduced Harkey Quinn like it was really gonna be a series of films. Like a Bonnie and Cylde. What a ripoff.