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  3. I empathise with her condition. But do you feel that she should be aware that her approach to finding love was wrong?

I empathise with her condition. But do you feel that she should be aware that her approach to finding love was wrong?

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    whitespirit26 — 10 years ago(August 16, 2015 09:42 AM)

    Psychopaths are generally considered to not be capable of caring for other people, and Esther was; her entire struggle was around finding love.

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      deaddisco79 — 10 years ago(September 08, 2015 03:08 PM)

      A psychopath's version of love. So it's not what the norm would describe as caring for others. What kind of husband or father would allow some psycho to kill his entire family so that they can be together? Not normal. Totally psychopathic.

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        whitespirit26 — 10 years ago(September 09, 2015 10:45 PM)

        Wrong, she never envisioned killing the whole family from the beginning; she just wanted the husband, and even to see herself as the mom of the kids. Only after he rejected her did she kill him and the family, part of a meltdown to sort of forget they existed. It's explained in the trivia; she wants a father figure and proven devoted husband, kinder than her own father was, but if he rejects her as her own father eventually did (telling her she could never be a real woman), she'd have a massive flashback-type meltdown and go mental.

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          smeiera — 9 years ago(December 29, 2016 09:47 PM)

          Still in no way justifies what she did. The girl had some serious mental issues.

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            whitespirit26 — 9 years ago(December 30, 2016 02:54 AM)

            No, justifying it doesn't even factor in.

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              Taravilyaion — 9 years ago(May 05, 2016 01:28 AM)

              It was only mentioned that she was dangerously violent..
              I think she wasn't a psychopath, she was a sociopath..
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                whitespirit26 — 9 years ago(May 08, 2016 11:05 PM)

                No, sociopaths have no emotion or need for affection. Exactly the opposite of her.

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                  Taravilyaion — 9 years ago(May 08, 2016 11:46 PM)

                  http://www.healthyplace.com/personality-disorders/sociopath/can-sociopaths-love-or-even-fall-in-love/
                  I can confirm (most of) this is true, as I'm being one myself..
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                    whitespirit26 — 9 years ago(May 09, 2016 02:07 AM)

                    I have no idea what you mean, but that shows my point. They can't love, and she not only could, but needed it.

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                      Taravilyaion — 9 years ago(May 09, 2016 04:43 AM)

                      I have no idea what you mean
                      Obviously..
                      When love is a tool to be used to trap and manipulate someone, sociopaths can love.
                      When love is a shallow lie told for personal gain rather than an expression of connection, sociopaths can love.
                      When love involves pretending, playing a role to gain something for yourself, then sociopaths can love.
                      I guess you missed those..?
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                        whitespirit26 — 9 years ago(May 09, 2016 07:44 AM)

                        Yes, I clearly understood what the link said, supporting my point. I was talking about your words personally.

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                          duongdogg — 9 years ago(February 04, 2017 06:01 AM)

                          Didn't she burn down an orphanage or something?

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                            whitespirit26 — 9 years ago(February 04, 2017 05:07 PM)

                            No, not an orphanage.

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                              PenguinCat — 10 years ago(August 16, 2015 06:47 AM)

                              I have been watching Little Women of LA and they have not trouble finding men. Some Little and some Average size. Esther could look more womanly if she tried. I am sure there are plenty of men who would want her.

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                                whitespirit26 — 10 years ago(August 16, 2015 09:42 AM)

                                Very true 🙂 But she didn't know that, poor thing; she didn't think they'd accept her.

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                                  Synetech — 10 years ago(August 26, 2015 10:07 PM)

                                  She was mentally unstable. That said, the second time I watched it (knowing the twist), I couldnt help but wonder if her mental instability was a product of her condition and if she would have still been like that had she been able to grow normally.
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                                    ncdwbmk6 — 10 years ago(August 27, 2015 08:37 AM)

                                    The Saarne Institute doctor tells Kate that Esther murdered another family and then burned down their house. Maybe if she had had treatment early in her life she could have become healthy, but in the film's time frame I think it's a bit late for that.
                                    You got your mind right, Luke?

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                                      whitespirit26 — 10 years ago(August 31, 2015 02:34 AM)

                                      The trivia explains she was abused by her father starting in infancy, until she killed him at a young age. She'd need severe therapy to recover from that.

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                                        deaddisco79 — 10 years ago(September 08, 2015 03:11 PM)

                                        Not at all. She was mentally disturbed. Everyone goes through issues in their lives and they deal with them. Giving someone a free pass because they were "abused" or have some condition is absolutely insane. Then everyone could go out and kill people just because they had a "rough childhood".

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                                          whitespirit26 — 10 years ago(September 09, 2015 02:38 AM)

                                          Oh please, no one's making excuses or giving free passes; obviously she needs mental help, for a long time. But I think she deserves loving care. And it's a little hard to "deal" with something like rape from a parent beginning in infancy when you don't know anything else in life.

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