You know how many people are nudists? Not that many.
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wight1984 — 9 years ago(July 14, 2016 02:56 PM)
If you're not interested in riving dead horses, then why reply to a two year old thread?
The whole point here was that no rational harm-based moral argument here.
This is someone calling labelling something as 'wrong' because it -feels- weird to them and using that as a justification to make claims about how other people behave.
It's curious that you refer to 'harmful or even disgusting' though, as if the latter was somehow worse than the former.
If other people choose to do things that disgust me then I will just mind my own business; it's only when people choose to do things that are harmful (particularly to people other than themselves) that there's any cause for alarm. -
Strazdamonas — 9 years ago(July 12, 2016 01:31 PM)
Your personal predicament of grossness does not necessitate inappropriate behavior by others. The problem here is your incorrect perception of the reality you live in, resulting in your extremist puritanical ideas.
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galluslass — 12 years ago(March 31, 2014 11:56 PM)
Sorry, I'm with the others. Nothing wrong with a father seeing his young children naked. We are quite a naked house, my sons (11 and
sometimes see their father and I naked. The older one does like his privacy and is now more self conscious etc so I cover up more now rather than just walk round naked - but he decided the age where he felt it was time.
I think more nudity without the sexual element would be good. As kids it was much more common to see little kids running up and down naked - the beach, the garden etc. I prefer that way and mind set. -
whitespirit26 — 12 years ago(April 01, 2014 03:29 PM)
LOL That's right, I don't parade around naked because I just hate my body. Or just think it's my private business, but strangely the more "liberated" people don't seem open-minded enough to consider the logic of that possibility. Besides, even seeing someone naked in passing is different from bathing someone (the topic that somehow became a debate here); I doubt you let your kids give you baths.
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wight1984 — 11 years ago(November 04, 2014 02:11 PM)
LOL That's right, I don't parade around naked because I just hate my body.
Personally, I think that it's all fine as long as you're not hurting anyone. If you feel embarrassed or shy about other people seeing you naked, even in a non-sexual context, then that's just your quirk and it's all good. I'm sure that you can lead a healthy and fulfilled life with that quirk.
However, there's no advantage in it over not having those feelings.
If I was to try to judge one as being better than the other, then I'd definitely go with the one that evidences less hang-ups about our bodies. -
wight1984 — 11 years ago(November 06, 2014 03:24 PM)
The problem is that when you talk about 'moral integration' you don't mean genuine morality, at least not terms of rational ethical philosophy.
Casual sex and/or non-standard romantic relationships are not incompatible with strongly held moral convictions and principles. It's not the sort of thing that clashes with Utilitarian moral philosophy (for example).
It does clash with people's whose moral outlook is based largely on societal norms and taboos, which is to say with people whose morality is not grounded in reasoned argument from principles or central guiding values.
And, yeah, I guess society is moving away from the latter. The western world is moving towards a 'liberal' society where people have to justify their moral condemnation in terms of
how it actually hurts people
rather than just their own subjective emotional reactions to particular acts.
It's a world where small-minded bigotry about alternative lifestyles is increasingly not tolerated but that's not moral disintegration, it's moral progress.
Keep your baseless knee-jerk emotive judgements. I'm happy with actually caring about other people's welfare and making reasoned moral judgements based on that. -
whitespirit26 — 11 years ago(November 06, 2014 10:01 PM)
"The western world is moving towards a 'liberal' society where people have to justify their moral condemnation in terms of how it actually hurts people.."
Yeah, where they're too dim to see long-term affects like increased divorce rates, pregnant and unhappy teens, disintegration in family. No harm at all. -
wight1984 — 11 years ago(November 07, 2014 10:25 AM)
That's factually incorrect.
Liberal attitudes to sexual education actually decrease STD spread, teenager pregnancy (and thus abortion) and actually increase the average age at which people have sex.
Whereas 'traditional' right-leaning approaches to sexual education (aka abstinence only education) does the exact opposite.
This general trend can be seen be contrasting continental Europe with the states. Continental Europe is significantly more liberal and tolerant than the USA, yet the USA has terrible problems with teenage pregnancy and STD spread.
Yet some Americans think they can take the high ground because at least they don't have an accepting attitude towards such things as same-sex relationships or casual sex. It's rank hypocrisy that should have died out with the Victorians. -
whitespirit26 — 11 years ago(November 07, 2014 01:29 PM)
Look at our divorce rates, our kids having sex, where 14 is now actually more common, where PP workers try to steer kids into their way of thinking, and where some don't blink when a nurse gets an abortion on camera and acts like it's no big thing. The reason we NEED so much sex ed is because hookups are now considered fine and normal. Hate to tell you, but things aren't so grand marriage-wise in other countries, either.
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wight1984 — 11 years ago(November 07, 2014 01:47 PM)
ook at our divorce rates, our kids having sex, where 14 is now actually more common, where PP workers try to steer kids into their way of thinking, and where some don't blink when a nurse gets an abortion on camera and acts like it's no big thing
Yes, look at those statistics.
Actually look
at that.
Look at which regions are have the worst statistics in these areas. Look at what policies and cultural changes might be responsible.
You may surprise yourself. They're worse in areas where sexual puritanism is allowed to infect teaching and state policy. -
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wight1984 — 11 years ago(November 07, 2014 02:11 PM)
Divorce rates went up as divorce became legal and easy.
People didn't used to get divorced as much because they either separated or lived in unhappy marriages. That we now have a more honest and tolerant approach to the end of relationships is a good thing, not a bad thing.
The US has more of a lot of things because we're a larger country.
All this tells me is that you don't understand how statistics work.