Killing Emmitt was justified
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registers-944-48791 — 9 years ago(December 05, 2016 04:19 PM)
It's that symdrom where the captive starts loving the kidnapper, when any small sign of affection surpasses all the horrible things she'd done.
Yes, Howard had a bunker, and yes, the girl was alive thanks to him. He also had full power over her and could have done worse things while she was there. He could have kept her locked, could have killed Emmett way earlier. The character seemed to have a will to "make things work right".
But still, he shot Emmett's face while he could just have locked him. He was able to handle the body and put on acid. It's most probable to me that he captivated the other girl and got her killed, and that he provoked the car accident on purpose to kidnap the main girl.
He's just the combination of the random conspiracy theory guy and the paranoic who builds a bunker and stocks food, added to the psycopat who kidnaps people to force them to live with him.
We could even consider that he didn't lock the girl because he wanted to earn her trust so he could have a better relationship with her. He could feel better to have her as a feeling-free friend who talks and eats on his side than a frenetic locked girl who screams the hell out of his ears all the time. -
TheMisanthrope — 9 years ago(June 25, 2016 09:27 PM)
Brittney was the girl in both pics. Notice the small mole in between her mouth and nose. The second pic looks like someone whos being forced to have their picture taken, but if you pay attention, the picture was taken while theyre sitting on a plaid couch with books behind it - this is the couch in the bunker.
Implication is pretty clear.
IMHO Howards wife and kid took off and Brittney was kidnapped to replace his daughter. Loosing his family,ddep depression, coupled his extreme paranoia, which to his wife seemed to defy reason. Doing what Howard did with the bunker,being prepared is one thing, what he did would have taken years it reveals a pretty severe psychosis.
Killing Emmet was done out of self preservation since Emmet basically admitted he was scheming against Howard. If opening the door and kicking Emmet out isnt a option (contamination) and you cant trust someone youre holed up with really what choice do you have?
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Ceephax — 9 years ago(June 27, 2016 04:18 AM)
Brittney was the girl in both pics. Notice the small mole in between her mouth and nose. The second pic looks like someone whos being forced to have their picture taken, but if you pay attention, the picture was taken while theyre sitting on a plaid couch with books behind it - this is the couch in the bunker.
Implication is pretty clear.
IMHO Howards wife and kid took off and Brittney was kidnapped to replace his daughter. Loosing his family,ddep depression, coupled his extreme paranoia, which to his wife seemed to defy reason. Doing what Howard did with the bunker,being prepared is one thing, what he did would have taken years it reveals a pretty severe psychosis.
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comprakash — 9 years ago(July 09, 2016 02:39 AM)
Howard had intentionally kidnapped Michelle. Here is my theory.
When Michelle stops at the gas pump, a person is shown to be following her.
That's person was driving a truck with similar headlamps and orange indicators as Howard's car. Even though it is blurred, the placements of lights and its shape can be identified. Howard knew of the attack and rather than going alone to the bunker, he thought of kidnapping Michelle. Just like Brittney. Why else would Howard tie/lock up Michelle when she was unconscious. He wanted to first check if she recognized him from earlier encounter at gas pump and accident. But she didn't so he set her free. A person with good intentions and who just saved another person won't lock that person up. -
registers-944-48791 — 9 years ago(December 05, 2016 07:19 PM)
That's very nice. Yes, she had hurt her leg, but he still locked her.
Script writer tries to mess with us by alternating actions of bad and good guy on him. When we're certain he's one thing, something happens and it all changes to other direction.
I think Howard was just lucky that an attack actually happened. He was paranoid, built the bunker, lost/killed his family, kidnapped the other girl. Then he was just trying to do it again. Maybe the blackout news alarmed him, maybe he was just trying a simple kidnap and it was the perfect moment and he realized it when Emmett came asking for help. -
JolenesClover — 9 years ago(June 27, 2016 07:42 PM)
Plus..when they were all playing that game with the timer,he kept calling Michelle a girl,child,princess etc. But he couldnt come up with the word "woman". Howard didnt see michelle as and adult, but as a replacement daughter.
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chopperman — 9 years ago(July 16, 2016 10:27 PM)
Plus..when they were all playing that game with the timer,he kept calling Michelle a girl,child,princess etc. But he couldnt come up with the word "woman". Howard didnt see michelle as and adult, but as a replacement daughter.
yeah that was basically hitting you over the head with what this guy's deal was. it was a good movie so i can forgive how heavy handed that bit was.
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surajkrstha — 9 years ago(June 29, 2016 02:33 AM)
Why Howard has shaved his beard just after killing Emmet when we see his body still i acid later. What's so hurry or care to shave at that time, he could have done it any time early before killing happned or later any time. Who goes to shave after killing someone? What's director was implying with this?
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registers-944-48791 — 9 years ago(December 06, 2016 02:16 PM)
Killing him was a tough action, plus now he was alone with Michelle.
Either of those were a big milestone, and they were reached together. Shaving helped visually show that Howard's emotions were heavily touched. -
billytyner — 9 years ago(July 10, 2016 12:22 PM)
Yes, sooner or later, he would have killed her. He killed Emmett so suddenly in a flash of anger, she would have been in the same position too- I think he did kill the girl and held her hostage probably for the last 2 years. He was nuts. I almost think it might have been good of her to just kill him off and stay down there herself for a while while she figured things out.
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LadyMiraculous — 9 years ago(July 15, 2016 08:49 AM)
Well, he kidnapped a young woman and held her against her will. Not to mention killed his own daughter. So I assume he was bad.
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Ringworm7 — 9 years ago(July 19, 2016 03:00 PM)
I think Howard was extremely confused, possibly mentally ill and not acting out on a normal healthy conscience. He had his own militaristic worldview and he stuck to it.
At the end of Cloverfield
we see a satellite drop into the ocean
and we know Howard's worked on satellites for years in the Navy. I'm thinking he is driven insane by a failure and also the guilt of not being able to keep his family where he can control and protect them.
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joem420 — 9 years ago(July 24, 2016 12:43 AM)
This question sums up my problem with this moviefor the first 3/4 of the film the driving question is: "is howard good or is he bad"(aka is he right or wrong about the apocalypse)?
It's a bit of a cop out that the answer is: BOTH!
Clearly, howard was 1000% right about the "attack". He might have been wrong about some details (i.e. the air wasn't poisoned)but this was exactly they type of scenario his shelter was built for and an "attack" has definitely occurred. And Howard definitely was a "good Samaritan" when Emmett showed up at his door and he let Emmett in.
However, it is obvious that Howard kidnapped and murdered a girl in his bunker before the "attack" ever took place.
And it is unclear whether he kidnapped Michele in "cold blood" and then the attack just happened to occur.or if he told the truth that he accidentally ran her of the road as the attack was starting.
So, Howard is both correct about the attack and is protecting Michelle and Emmett from whatever is out there.and he is also a (sick? deranged? evil? delusional? all of the above? some of the above) individual who has kidnapped and murdered people before.
The movie tries to straddle the fence..and when you straddle the fence, you lose your balls.
I was entertained, but disappointed in the end. On a true 0-10, bell curve style scale (where '5' is average) I would give this flick a 6..aka above average, with a few highlights, but also a few disappointments.so decent, but nothing special. Glad I caw it..but even more glad I saw it for $5 on ppv instead of $12 on the big screen. -
arizonaangels — 9 years ago(July 31, 2016 08:04 AM)
I thought about it in a way that he was just a sad and desperate man that had gone mad before and started prepping. I think he lost his real daughter a long time ago, maybe even by the hands of a bad man, seeing as he gets quite angry at the time when Emmet and Michelle touch hands at the table. He wanted to replace his little girl and keep her safe (he even keeps referring to Michelle as little girl during that game.. even saying little princess) and at the end he is really desperate for her to stay.
He might be insane but I don't think he is a bad person. He wanted to keep her safe and the fact that he reacted differently to Emmet was because he never wanted him there, he fought his way in and in that way intruded on this man and his plan to go into his shelter and just be there by himself. He took Michelle because he rammed her car and probably saw her and thought of Megan. -
koffeenkreame41-1 — 9 years ago(September 13, 2016 07:54 PM)
I thought about it in a way that he was just a sad and desperate man that had gone mad before and started prepping. I think he lost his real daughter a long time ago, maybe even by the hands of a bad man, seeing as he gets quite angry at the time when Emmet and Michelle touch hands at the table. He wanted to replace his little girl and keep her safe (he even keeps referring to Michelle as little girl during that game.. even saying little princess) and at the end he is really desperate for her to stay.
He might be insane but I don't think he is a bad person. He wanted to keep her safe and the fact that he reacted differently to Emmet was because he never wanted him there, he fought his way in and in that way intruded on this man and his plan to go into his shelter and just be there by himself. He took Michelle because he rammed her car and probably saw her and thought of Megan.
Agreed.
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