Killing Emmitt was justified
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saintmarsh — 9 years ago(September 01, 2016 08:38 PM)
He was dangerous and thus had to go. He happened to be right about the world but she wasn't given a choice to survive he took her and kept reminding him that she should be gracious. He was ill which isn't his fault but he definitely hurt people therefore he couldn't continue on.
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Innsmouth — 9 years ago(September 13, 2016 08:04 PM)
He was insane, and had no empathy for human life, but it just so happened that his craziness was proven right in some aspects.
Arc of the moral universe is long, but it bends toward justice: www.youtube.com/watch?v=jhBWDzkqEPY -
boomcube — 9 years ago(November 07, 2016 12:57 PM)
Yes he was messed up.
It seems obvious to me he killed megan. And that guy said he saw a different picture of his daughter so it seems that wasn't the first person he killed. His martian delusions just happened to be correct but he was a serial killer. -
postandreply — 9 years ago(November 13, 2016 06:49 AM)
I didn't read the three pages of responses to your question "So was Howard good or bad?" but I have your answer. He was bad. Unfortunately.
Before the aliens even attacked Earth, he had already kidnapped a female and was forcing her to roleplay as his daughter inside the Doomsday bunker. When she tried to escape, he killed her. That's the one who disappeared like over two years ago that no has ever seen again.
This movie was very entertaining and I enjoyed it a lot. However, it is extremely feminist. It doesn't jump out at people as being feminist. Most people wouldn't notice or they will just deny it.
This was my summary of the movie:
"It's about a woman who leaves her boyfriend after only one fight and then kills the guy who saves her because he turned out to be a psychotic who kidnaps women as a substitute for his daughter who left him a long time ago and kills them if they try to escape. The heroine then destroys an alien spaceship by herself and decides to go to war with the aliens instead of going to a safe city."
It's pretty mainstream BS. Women are victims or heroines. They can do no evil. They are the warriors of justice and most men are bad. Blah. But it didn't have a bad impact on the movie because the movie was great. Howard's character added mystery to the plot where you didn't know if the aliens were real or not or if he was a bad guy or not.
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To add more to what I wrote above. I do agree that despite his evil deeds that there is a real sincerity to everything that he does. So it would be more accurate to say that he was sick in the head. I think that his real sickness was his obsession with Doomsday bunkers. His Doomsday bunker is probably why his real daughter left him. After she left him, he kidnapped a female and forced her to live with him in the Doomsday bunker as a replacement daughter. I think the replacement daughter was an afterthought and that the Doomsday bunker fantasy was more important to him than anything. So when she tried to escape and leave him, he killed her. I don't think that Michelle was ever kidnapped. He really did crash into her by accident when he was in a hurry to his Doomsday bunker. He would have continued to care for her and protect her but he would have killed her if a.) she did anything that would jeopardize his safety or the Doomsday bunker and possibly b.) she decided to leave peacefully because he didn't want yet another daughter walking out on him. -
Stovepipe99 — 9 years ago(November 17, 2016 05:19 PM)
It's pretty mainstream BS. Women are victims or heroines. They can do no evil. They are the warriors of justice and most men are bad.
What movies are you thinking of when you say this?
This just isn't my association with the "mainstream" treatment of women, especially in horror/sci-fi.
I think that Michelle's character arc is more complicated than victim->heroine. And her main character flaw is something that she shares with a male character. -
jfish-85389 — 9 years ago(November 16, 2016 06:33 PM)
He was definitely bad IMOthe implication is that he had imprisoned and murdered a young woman in the past, and he murdered Emmett and was also extremely controlling and flew off the handle very easily. I think the writers meant for him to seem like someone who had become detached from reality upon his daughter leaving him, and was trying to replace her. I felt as if the outside events that required them to stay in the shelter were coincidental, I don't think that was his intended purpose in constructing it. How else can one explain the girl in the picture whose earring was found with blood on it?
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PotatoMonsters — 9 years ago(November 17, 2016 06:51 AM)
IMHO:
I would say he was sick, making him dangerous, not bad.
I didn't see him as bad but just a sick man doing bad things.
It's a very delicate issue and he was very frail and unstable.
In the end he had to be taken care of simply because he was dangerous and sick.
I don't mean to justify anything. Every character acted Reasonable. Execept Howard of course. I like the mystery of not knowing, that way we can see all people discuss what COULD have happend. -
bigman0692000 — 9 years ago(November 28, 2016 09:23 PM)
Like real life a lot of times its very open to interpretation. Its not black and white. He certainly was a good guy in a lot of ways. I mean he let them both in the bunker, he told the truth about almost everything, and helped with everything else.
He killed emmitt, but he had good reasons why he choose that. We dont know what happened with the missing girl so that could go either way how she died. So there were signs he had a bad temper, but that does not mean he was going to for sure kill her if she stayed inside. -
MaeBeaBaeBea — 9 years ago(January 24, 2017 04:56 PM)
His intentions were basically good, but his way of expressing them was totally off the wall. In fact, he seemed to be somewhat on the autistic spectrum as evidenced by the no touching rule, and other peculiar fixations . That being said however, let's not forget that the road to Hell is paved with good intentions. In the end, he was an irredeemably flawed character.