She killed the good man
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NotASpeckOfCereal — 9 years ago(September 11, 2016 05:49 PM)
he was honest about hitting her car
No he wasn't. When he realized she had figured out that he ran her off the road, he admitted to doing it, but still lied about the reason.
At no point did he say "I knocked you off the street because I want a sweet young thing to spend the rest of my days with in my fine, plush bunker. It'll be good, you'll see.".
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koffeenkreame41-1 — 9 years ago(September 13, 2016 07:31 PM)
Yes, Howard was a little nuts and didn't express himself perfectly and had a temper issue, but he was right about an invasion, he was honest about hitting her car.
I agree, I believe he was honest with her there.
"I'm the ultimate badass,you do NOT wanna f-ck wit me!"Hudson,Aliens -
pisces-37330 — 9 years ago(September 17, 2016 02:38 PM)
You could clearly see headlights behind her. She said she was traveling north of where he lives. He said he was in a hurry to get home. He lied. If he was in a hurry, he wouldn't have been driving the opposite direction.
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Stovepipe99 — 9 years ago(October 14, 2016 07:07 PM)
What does this mean?
Surely the script includes the part where he chains her to the wall; the part where he possessively yells "No touching" at Emmet when he goes to help Michelle; the part where he executes Emmett; and the part where he threatens to dissolve his two "guests" in a barrel of acid. -
Nooneimportant — 9 years ago(October 24, 2016 10:13 AM)
In the script the Emmett gets the gun from Howard. Then he starts abusing power and becomes really big beep At the end its discovered that Howard was indeed telling the truth as Michelle runs into the house that she does not run into in the movie cuz of the gascloud. There she sees pictures of his daughter and realise that he did have a daughter. Howard pleeds for her to stay, but she runs away, leaving him to unknown faith. She then drives a car to a city and sees its all in ruins.
Not to be to philosophical here, one could see the script as an alternate universe where Emmett gets the gun and things then happens differently. Or one can see it as it probably is They completely disregard the script and did their own thing. -
Stovepipe99 — 9 years ago(October 24, 2016 01:30 PM)
I'm still not sure that any of that makes Howard a good person, even if it makes Emmett more of a villain.
Emmett never said that Howard didn't have a daughter (and I never really doubted that he did), just that the girl in the picture was not his daughter.
Emmett had a more submissive personality, so I can see how if he was given power and authority it could have gone to his head. Especially because of the fact that he feels like he let his chance go by to do something with his life (by not getting on the bus to college).
I just . . . I resist the idea that Howard was a good person. Too many of his actions toward Michelle are aggressive and possessive and flat-out creepy. I think that the nicest thing you can say about him is that he was a mentally imbalanced person with good intentions. And even then, it doesn't quite explain the blood and the earring in the crawlspace. Unless that's explained in the original version of the script.
It's like people who are on Howard's side don't realize the kind of world we live in. Any woman in her right mind is going to be very scared of a man who chains her up, cuts her off from the outside world, and bosses her around using physical intimidation to ensure compliance. -
Nooneimportant — 9 years ago(October 25, 2016 02:08 AM)
I wrote a blog entry about this:
https://andyace83.wordpress.com/2016/08/03/10-cloverfield-lane-2016-an-analysis/ -
Stovepipe99 — 9 years ago(October 25, 2016 03:59 PM)
I enjoyed reading your blog entryit was well explained. There are a few points where I disagree.
never do we see him behave violent towards Michelle.
I strongly disagree about this point. I will grant that you can make an excuse for Howard's physical violence (you can say that he sedates her for their protection; I suppose you can argue that him trying to stab her while she is in the vent is also a form of self-defense if he believes she is trying to sabotage the air supply).
But physical intimidation is, in my opinion, a form of violence. If a man who is much larger/stronger than I am comes right up into my space being aggressive, to me that is such a strong threat of violence. He goes into this intimidation merely because he feels that he is being disrespected (by Michelle flirting with Emmett).
And I don't think that Michelle's abusive past (if one exists) means that she is "filtering" this behavior. I think that any woman who wakes up being held captive by a stranger is going to feel threatened and intimidated. Any time that Howard gets aggressive with Michelle, even if he doesn't actually put his hands on her, he is coasting on the threat of violence.
Howard may have acted by a moral-code for survival [by killing Emmett], not a humanistic one we are used to.
Except that after he kills Emmett, he says to Michelle something like "Now it's just you and methe way it was always meant to be." Howard was just looking for an excuse to kill Emmett.
It also doesn't explain that inexplicable "No touching!" that he yells at Emmett when Emmett was clearly just helping Michelle when she stumbled.
the written help window. Michelle says it was written on the inside of the window
Michelle gets close enough to the window that I believe she can tell which side is scratched. Also, there is blood on the window and the bloodied earring, which implies that the word was scratched into the glass with the earring.
I can't speak to the intentions of the original script, but all of the evidence that I see in the movie leads me to find Emmett to be trustworthy and Howard to be the bad guy (albeit one who is more mentally ill than genuinely evil). I believe that the part where Michelle finds the bus ticket in Emmett's wallet is a storytelling beat in which we are being told that Emmett tells the truth. -
Nooneimportant — 9 years ago(October 29, 2016 09:34 AM)
Yeah, its just a theory that probably is rather weak.
I think it would have been more interesting if they followed the original script more. But yeah, I am not married to the idea. To be honest I just think I want it to be like that, cuz that would make the movie far more brilliant. Just as I want Jar Jar Binks to be a sith lord cuz that would make the original Star Wars movies 10 times better.
But yeah, just a fan theory. Its probably false