Why did JJ allow "COVERFIELD" in TITLE as it had NADA to do w/original ?
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mugojoe — 9 years ago(July 25, 2016 07:15 AM)
Begging the question. Appeal to authority. Shall we add proof by assertion and call it a day?
All you have to do is point out how the films are related
on their own merit as works of art
and I'll disappear with a humble apology.
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MarwoodWalks — 9 years ago(July 25, 2016 07:39 AM)
Look Kid, I am not just going over old ground to try and prove points already proven to anyone with half a brain. I have already pointed out the links, and the fact that the film makers say they are linked (which is a fact you can't disagree with).
Until then, the conversation continues, sweetie.
This is not a conversation, when you started throwing insults you ended the conversation. This is the forum equivalent of a much better boxer knocking down a lesser opponent, and yet the opponent wont stay down. Well you keep on replying with nothing, and i will keep on knocking you down.
"dont you hear that horrible screaming all around you? That screaming men call silence." -
MarwoodWalks — 9 years ago(July 25, 2016 01:59 PM)
Yet again you reply with no substance. You are out of arguments and haven't successfully refuted a word I have said.
Do you have an adult or guardian who can help?
LOLthat's pathetic.
"dont you hear that horrible screaming all around you? That screaming men call silence." -
mugojoe — 9 years ago(July 25, 2016 02:22 PM)
I'm actually the one asking for substance. My claim is that there is no way to substantiate your argument. You have proven this over and over again through opting out.
If I missed something, I'm sure your ilk can help finish this thought (because you can't):
"Cloverfield and 10 Cloverfield Lane are clearly linked through these observations in both films:
a. ______________
b. ______________
c. ______________"
So run along, poochie. I'm looking for a conversation with an adult now. -
MarwoodWalks — 9 years ago(July 25, 2016 03:56 PM)
See my answer below.
So run along, poochie. I'm looking for a conversation with an adult now.
Yeah you sound so mature.
Another knockdownBOOM!
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jaquesburton — 9 years ago(July 25, 2016 11:39 AM)
So two stories about the same world event told in different settings and with different povs are unrelated? Have you ever heard of an anthology? BTW, referring to people you disagree with using cutesy pet names makes you sound smug, not smart. Nobody's arguing this is a sequel, just that the films are loosely related.
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mugojoe — 9 years ago(July 25, 2016 01:25 PM)
Come on sport, you're better than this.
same world event
How so? Other than alien monsters from the sky, which is a centuries-old trope, what elements unify the two? The method of approach is different (one from the water, the other from the sky). The types of monsters are different (in terms of design and intelligence). They don't occur in the same region. The events don't reference each other (heck, even live news reports during Cloverfield don't mention similar devastation in other areas of the country). Other than a commonality shared by every alien invasion film ever made, what irrefutably sets them in the same universe?
In other words, if this film was called "Something's Goofy in Texas" not a single person would ask, "Why was the word 'Cloverfield' not in the title?"
Nobody's arguing this is a sequel, just that the films are loosely related.
Well, they're arguing
poorly
that they're loosely related. The arguments are based on stinky, smelly, icky piles of raw, unprocessed fallacies, not observations. -
MarwoodWalks — 9 years ago(July 25, 2016 03:24 PM)
OK, seeing as how the top level obvious stuff that links the films doesn't do it for you, Hows this for observation of minutiae in the film: (the satellite one I knew, the Howard job one I found in a google searchthere is some really cool stuff online about the links of the films that I wouldn't have found if not for your moronic denial of the facts, including blogs from Howard about the impending invasionso thanks!)
At the end of Cloverfield, we see a satellite coming to earth into the sea. Right? You remember that?
At the beginning of 10 Cloverfield Lane we are looking out over the sea from Michelles window, the camera pans to her packing, there is a flash and a muffled explosion offscreen. This is a (or the) satellite coming to Earth just as in Cloverfield.
John Goodmans character Howard is a satellite tracking tech, he knows about the satellites and the impending invasion, and he is employee of the month for Bold Futura, a subsidiary of Tagruato corpthe same company that Rob Hawkins from Cloverfield was off to start working for.
http://tagruato.jp/employee_of_the_month_2016_february.php
click on the link, scroll to the bottom and there is Howard.
So is having Howard working for a subsidiary of the same Japanese oil company Tagruato whose deep sea drilling awakened the cloverfield monster a link? Is having him be a satellite tech, when we see a satellite crashing at the end of cloverfield a link? Is his doomsday prepping for the invasion before it happens because of his work on the satellites for it a link?
We may well get more answers in the third film set around these events, we may find out what the link is between the ancient alien sea monster and the subsequent invasion after it awakens, but what we do know for sure is that the films are linked. Lets not forget THAT THE FILM MAKERS SAY THEY ARE LINKED!!!
"dont you hear that horrible screaming all around you? That screaming men call silence." -
mugojoe — 9 years ago(July 25, 2016 03:39 PM)
At the end of Cloverfield, we see a satellite coming to earth into the sea. Right? You remember that?
Yes, we see something. Most alien invasion films have an invasion.
This is a (or the) satellite coming to Earth just as in Cloverfield.
Yes, this could be something. Most alien invasion films have an invasion.
he knows
He wildly suspects many things and repeatedly states that he doesn't
know
anything.
scroll to the bottom
If possible, try to limit to observations within the films, as that is the claim being challenged:
By watching the two films, an observer would not logically conclude that they are related.
Lets not forget THAT THE FILM MAKERS SAY THEY ARE LINKED!!!
This appeal to authority (while comforting since it comes from a grownup) doesn't substantiate the argument, but presumes an infallible author. Please stop it with the fallacies.
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MarwoodWalks — 9 years ago(July 25, 2016 03:52 PM)
It becoming painfully obvious you don't understand what a fallacy is. It isn't wrong to point out that the 2 films are made as films with links when answering a question about one film having 'nada' to do with the other. Its cute that you have a word you (just you) think is clever, but not so good that you don't understand what it means.
as that is the claim being challenged: By watching the two films, an observer would not logically conclude that they are related.
um no, you can't just make stuff up. The question is
'Why did JJ allow "COVERFIELD" in TITLE as it had NADA to do w/origin'
. The fact that viral marketing and online teaser stuff clearly links the films is very valid in answering the actual question asked. You cant change the question just because you have lost the argument moron.
I just battered you again, showing clear links between the films, your reply has nothing to refute them.
"dont you hear that horrible screaming all around you? That screaming men call silence." -
mugojoe — 9 years ago(July 25, 2016 04:00 PM)
Ok, I see the problem. I'm going to try to use fewer syllables now.
The two
films
have nothing to do with each other.
This is true until you bring in
material that isn't in the films.
At that point, it's not about the
films
, is it?
Do you understand those words, slappy? -
MarwoodWalks — 9 years ago(July 26, 2016 01:52 AM)
Not sure I can dumb this down any further for you
I gave you some stuff IN THE FILM that links them, you have not done a thing to dispute any of my points yet.
This is true until you bring in material that isn't in the films.
Oh so now you concede they
are
linkedcould have just done that from the start and saved yourself the embarrassment of how you have looked on this threadyou haven't come across well
"dont you hear that horrible screaming all around you? That screaming men call silence."