The most absurdly implausible twist in movie history
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Ohio9 — 10 years ago(February 16, 2016 09:40 PM)
Right, because blueprints to prisons are easy for everyone to find
The Camera wouldn't have to be within reach of him. It could be outside his cell.
Obviously watching a murderer 24/7 isn't normal, but neither is a guy who manages to kill people while he's in prison. Obviously the solution to an exceptional inmate is some exceptional measures. Or they could have just transfered him to a different prison altogether. There were so many obvious solutions to the problem and it was ridiculous that they never considered any of them.'
At the very least, I'm sure guards would be checking his cell at regular intervals (like maybe once every hour) so there is no way he would be able to leave for such long amounts of time without being noticed. -
daztalbot — 10 years ago(March 10, 2016 03:13 AM)
Blueprints to prisons are not easily found by everyone, but he was not everyone.
I was surfing the web once, and found complete blueprints to m16 assault rifles and ak 47's with measurements and everything. We could argue that could be reverse engineered, I'd agree, but I barely tried, you'd be amazed if you search deep enough how much you can find. This guy also had connections with people off covert ops from earlier in his life, perhaps he gained knowledge of where to search for these kind of things. Never underestimate the resourcefullness of humans if they are extremely motivated.
About the camera thing. As mentioned they didn't think he himself did those acts, but had an accomplice.
I also think basic rights dictate they aren't allowed to videotape someone directly in his cell, as they have privacy rights as well, whether in prison or not.
The whole point in a justice system is to play by rules set in stone, even if they are not moral or work against the righteous. Justice is not merely about doing the most moral thing, but about a system which is transparent and absolute. It's a fatal weakness, but at the same time the only thing which makes it pure and work as is.
It's the same as math, it only works in relation to all the other things. If 8 is sometimes 8 but sometimes 9, it would not work. Calculations everywhere would be wonky, or you'd pay different amount for the same stuff from one moment to the next. There is a reason why these are called "laws" in math. If one guy gets an exception, others will plea as well, there would be chaos and paperwork to the end of time.
On a last notice about him not being noticed. "El Chapo" a REAL WORLD drug baron escaped a maximum security prison for the 2nd time not so long ago. He's is known to be extremely dangerous, yet he succeeds. Yes probably gueards helped him, but you can't deny the reality that he succeeded twice, with a tunnel even. With this guy they are not sure what it's all about and they probably underestimated him. At the last scenes of the movie, they actually had a meeting about transferring him to a much more secure place anyway. -
Ohio9 — 10 years ago(March 10, 2016 05:35 AM)
About El Chapo, yeah he escaped, but he didn't come back to the prison and then leave whenever he felt like it. It's one thing to escape, but to be leaving and coming back on a regular basis is beyond absurd, especially if you are under close scrutiny because you are still killing people behind bars. Even if they aren't allowed to use cameras, I'm sure they would be checking his cell on a constant basis so there is no way he could leave for the time it took to set up the hits.
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Son_of_Elvis — 10 years ago(March 20, 2016 11:54 PM)
As others pointed out, he tunnelled to all the cells (which he had 10 years to do), and most of his dirty work was at night when he wouldn't be checked on. The one exception I can think of is the funeral scene, which he only needed to leave his cell for the 5-10 minutes it took to operate the bomb disposal unit via remote. The car bombs were planted at night to detonate shortly after 6am, and he planted the bomb in city hall at night-time. Within the internal logic of the movie, it fits, especially as they thought he had an accomplice and wouldn't require checking on any more than the other prisoners in solitary confinement.
Dude, that is one gay looking signature. -
Ohio9 — 10 years ago(March 22, 2016 12:23 PM)
I still find it implausible he could dig a tunnel under every cell without anyone noticing no matter how much time he had. And why wouldn't they be checking his cell at night?
Even if they thought he had an accomplice, I'm sure they would still be checking his cell on a constant basis -
Son_of_Elvis — 10 years ago(March 23, 2016 08:38 AM)
He had 10 years, and virtually unlimited resources to make his tunnels. The most popular movie on this site is about a guy that uses nothing more than a tiny hammer to tunnel out over an even longer period. As for checking his cell, guards don't actually go into peoples cell at night to check on them. They'll walk past, and as we saw, he stuffed his bed to make it look like he was there. He would have been caught out eventually, but this movie was over a period of what, a couple of weeks from when he was arrested?
Dude, that is one gay looking signature. -
Ohio9 — 10 years ago(March 23, 2016 08:46 AM)
You keep talking as if they would treat Clyde the same way they treat all inmates. Obviously they wouldn't, because the other inmates aren't finding some way to kill people outside the prison, while Clyde is. So the fact that they wouldn't check other inmates on a constant basis is meaningless. They would obviously be checking HIS cell on a constant basis since he's an exceptional prisoner who requires exceptional measures.
As for making all the tunnels, the issue isn't time or resources (although it's unlikely that he could know the location of all the cells since you wouldn't be able to find out where the solitary cells are without actually going to see them, and visitors to the prison can't do that) The issue is the notion that he could do all this without anyone noticing. Prisons conduct cell inspections regularly. By sheer law of averages, at least one of those tunnels would be found. -
Son_of_Elvis — 10 years ago(March 24, 2016 08:37 AM)
Is some respects, they would have to treat Clyde the same as any other inmate. Prisoners have rights too, and if the guards were waking him up 5 times a night, he'd sue them into oblivion.
As for the tunnels, if he made the entrances look like part of the wall, what are they going to find? The tricky part would be ensuring the cells were empty long enough for him to do that, but as the movie pointed out, that sort of thing was his full-time job. He could get into rooms thousands of miles away to kill people where conventional methods failed.
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Ohio9 — 10 years ago(March 24, 2016 08:45 AM)
They wouldn't have to wake him up, just make sure he's actually there. Also did you forget the part where the judge authorized them to take exceptional measures against him?
How could he know the cells were empty when he was tunneling into them? It's just flat out not possible.