Propaganda Film
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Simon-140 — 11 years ago(July 14, 2014 11:24 PM)
it's a pro-statist position.
Yes, I like living in civilised states, for all the reasons that Hobbes, John Locke and Rousseau gave, and more recent thinkers have given. (Locke was especially influential on the authors of the US constitution.)
A two-dimensional, slavish mentality
Slavish? If I don't like my "owners" I say beep you" and leave, albeit for another "owner." If this is slavery then I'm fine with it. I don't like physical conflicts and I'm not very good with them. I'm far happier when I'm creating something rather than tearing something down, let alone killing people.
As I said, no one agrees to anything when they live in the land of their birth.
And as I said, once you've reached majority, you're free to leave. I see no difference between the naturalised citizens of a nation and those who were born there. I have no particular love for the land of my birth: that land was just an accident of history and geography.
The government can "demand" all the respect that they wish, but they rarely get any from me. (As for the silly line that I've often heard - albeit not from you - that government positions deserve respect even if you despise the incumbent, I take that as seriously as transubstantiation.)
Your position that we are obligated to obey or leave provides all one anyone needs to know about you
You are trying to put words in my mouth. What I wrote was that these two positions are the easiest and most practical courses
for me
. People who find themselves
trapped
in an intolerable country, that persecutes them or their fellow citizens, may choose to stay and fight. Personally, I would do almost anything to avoid that.
If you want to start throwing words like "coward" around, feel free: as I pacifist, I'm used to it. -
avia2 — 11 years ago(December 04, 2014 12:58 PM)
Please don't compare the gritty
Harry Brown
to the awfully pretentious
Law-Abiding Citizen
which tries to be clever.
Harry Brown
isn't really propaganda. Brown clearly struggles with his decisions, and he's discreet about his actions.
If anything, it's a warning for police to pay more attention to public concerns, to prevent future vigilantism. -
spookyrat1 — 11 years ago(May 20, 2014 04:38 AM)
it felt like a right wing propaganda film
Promulgating exactly what?
an anti gun-control agenda, glorifying vigilante gun violence.
How so? During the film the police notably condemned the use of guns by the gangs. Yes, Harry does take up guns, but doesn't appear all that comfortable in doing it, though he is frustrated by the lack of any convictions arising from his friend's murder.
The politically motivated riots in England (which were happening as this was being produced) were portrayed as displays of senseless violence perpetuated by thugs.
The film portrays the riots occurring because of the police crackdown on the estate gangs, not as a result of any political decisions highlighted in the film. Yes, there was mindless violence.
Anyone associated with the criminals is judged and sentenced to death by Harry, including the gun dealer's assistant and the young hoodlum who we see get sexually abused.
That's simply incorrect. The drugged out gun dealers both tried to kill Harry first, before he returned the favour. Harry didn't kill the young hoodlum. His gang member "mates" did that in the tunnel. Harry did threaten and "interrogate" him for information about his friend's death before using him as bait in the tunnel.
but do we really feel comfortable seeing them assassinated because of the company they keep?
Incorrect as mentioned above.
It's a strange right -wing film that is critical of the lack of a sustained, in-touch, police presence in the estate areas of London as well as a lack of social and health services for both the young and old.
I agree with you that it is a good film from a first time director of promise. But rather than promote a right wing agenda, I feel the film primarily is critical of successive authorities that have allowed these "estates" to "develop" to the extent that people, such as Harry Brown, living in them in modern London face third world living conditions and dangers. -
max-468 — 11 years ago(February 01, 2015 02:48 PM)
Truly, SOK, your oversimplification of an intense character study make me laugh at the stupidity of it. Do yo have any experience of the council estates in England? I do and this film is completely accurate. Your exactly the type of coward that bleats PC this and PC that, and when you are the one in trouble, scream for help the loudest. Please, remove your rose tinted glasses and see the world exactly for what it is.
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totalbollacks — 10 years ago(November 03, 2015 04:17 PM)
I feel exceedingly comfortable with any portrayal of scrotes being wasted, gorier the better. The zombie hoards who cost my country billions of pounds per year are far better dead for the rest of us.
The cash that smack and crack costs my nations economy would be better spent on those who need it rather than want it.
Kill them all. -
TheFearmakers — 5 years ago(January 13, 2021 11:57 AM)
there are no RIGHT WING films. some films may seem that way but Hollywood is liberal, and if they aren't bashing the right they're doing them a favor.
left wingers love these kinda revenge movies JUST as much as anyone.
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