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Dazed — 2 years ago(November 16, 2023 07:29 AM)
138 said...
I can't, with your retardation.
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I answered you. You just don't like my answer.
Ask your friend the same thing since we both agree. If she doesn't have kids, are you going to tell her she has no right to say anything? If she does have kids, why does that make her automatically right evwn though it's thensame thing I agree with?
My mother was terminally ill and in her final weeks even very short car journeys were hell for her. I can't imagine her consenting to being moved hundreds of miles by road and air just to prolong her life by a small amount and if we had had to we wouldn't have made that decision on her behalf either. She had reached the stage of acceptance and was able to say that she was ready to die. When someone says that you know that their quality of life has become unbearable.
The long and short of it is that the child was obviously unable to voice that and the parents were still in denial. The courts had to intervene. I don't understand what is tripping people up here.
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/. — 2 years ago(November 16, 2023 07:55 AM)
138 said...
It's working out great because it's funny watching youn be careful with how you're responding to her despite us having the same viewpoint.
The different between you and Dazed is that Dazed is expressing her views respectfully, politely, and without calling somebody a **** for being upset at the death of a baby.
The difference is Dazed is a good natured adult and you are a piece of **** who acts like they're still in diapers.
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138 — 2 years ago(November 16, 2023 07:59 AM)
/. said...
The different between you and Dazed is that Dazed is expressing her views respectfully, politely, and without calling somebody a cunt for being upset at the death of a baby.
The difference is Dazed is a good natured adult and you are a piece of shit who acts like they're still in diapers.
This is the definition of tone policing.
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138 — 2 years ago(November 16, 2023 08:31 AM)
/. said...
A new name for an old concept won't shame me, sweetie.
If you want respect, show respect.
Exactly how I feel, which is why I don't show respect to these **** rags. They don't give it, so they don't get it.
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/. — 2 years ago(November 16, 2023 09:02 AM)
138 said...
Exactly how I feel, which is why I don't show respect to these cunt rags. They don't give it, so they don't get it.
That's fine, but don't complain when they give respect to others but not you. Which is what you did here.
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138 — 2 years ago(November 16, 2023 04:18 PM)
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That's fine, but don't complain when they give respect to others but not you. Which is what you did here.
Fuck you, I'm gonna do what I want, but seriously, I expected confrontation. Was looking for it when I posted in my tone. The point is to annoy and discomfort, but with facts.
I keep pointing to what Dazed is saying not to be like attack her, but to point you to someone who's pandering to your respectability politics bullshit, but saying the same thing. Funny how modt have aboided discussing it with her.
My polemical style has gotten you to engage. You want **** polite because it's easier to ignore and dismiss.
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Dazed — 2 years ago(November 16, 2023 07:15 AM)
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For me if there was even a small chance of a treatment working I would move heaven and earth to make it happen before making the permanent decision to cease life support. It would haunt me the rest of my life the what if? That’s just me. I don’t fault you or anyone else on their views especially when hit with the reality of it and what you would do. It’s a complicated emotional situation.
As I said previously I understand why the parents are so upset but there are times when nothing can be done and this was one of them. They were presented with false hope which was cruel and caused them the added trauma of going through the courts. Reading between the lines there was religion involved and I guess hopes of a last minute miracle.
The court's decision was that removing the child from life support to move her on a journey that would take several hours would cause her added pain and suffering and be ultimately pointless.
I don't think where she died made much difference provided her family were able to be with her which they were. She was 8 months old and unaware of "home".
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Pandora — 2 years ago(November 16, 2023 08:26 AM)
Dazed said...
As I said previously I understand why the parents are so upset but there are times when nothing can be done and this was one of them. They were presented with false hope which was cruel and caused them the added trauma of going through the courts. Reading between the lines there was religion involved and I guess hopes of a last minute miracle.
The court's decision was that removing the child from life support to move her on a journey that would take several hours would cause her added pain and suffering and be ultimately pointless.
I don't think where she died made much difference provided her family were able to be with her which they were. She was 8 months old and unaware of "home".
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I'm glad there are courts to make the tough decisions in these cases as obviously the parents don't want to believe what the doctors are telling them and the emotion is obviously stopping them from seeing the reality. It is accepted that a dog or a cat is put to sleep before the suffering gets too much for them but this poor baby, and others I have read about over the years, have their suffering needlessly prolonged. Well done on the courts for doing the right thing by a terminally ill helpless being. -
Yermom_Is_God — 2 years ago(November 16, 2023 11:46 AM)
Dazed said...
As I said previously I understand why the parents are so upset but there are times when nothing can be done and this was one of them. They were presented with false hope which was cruel and caused them the added trauma of going through the courts. Reading between the lines there was religion involved and I guess hopes of a last minute miracle.
The court's decision was that removing the child from life support to move her on a journey that would take several hours would cause her added pain and suffering and be ultimately pointless.
I don't think where she died made much difference provided her family were able to be with her which they were. She was 8 months old and unaware of "home".
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there are times when nothing can be done and this was one of them. They were presented with false hope
You have absolutely no idea if this is true. Zero. You've got your stance on it and now you're just saying made up things and presenting them as fact trying to strengthen your argument. Your "experts" on one side tell you there's nothing that can be done, yet we have experts in Italy saying there's a chance. You're blindly following one side only because it fits your original opinion while ignoring every other "expert." This is where taking the decision from the family is the problem. I have no idea if the kid would have survived or not, and neither do you, we do know for certain that the child was going to die for sure without it, and the government, who has no connection and doesn't give a single **** about the kid, made the decision to just let someone else's kid die and deny parents the chance to get their kid treatment.
The court's decision was that removing the child from life support to move her on a journey that would take several hours would cause her added pain and suffering and be ultimately pointless.
That changes nothing, these people are constantly wrong about everything, so they're throwing out this line as justification for an evil decision they made.
She was 8 months old and unaware of "home".
You are forced to do so much speculation to justify your stance on this.
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/. — 2 years ago(November 16, 2023 04:23 PM)
Yermom_Is_God said...
there are times when nothing can be done and this was one of them. They were presented with false hope
You have absolutely no idea if this is true. Zero. You've got your stance on it and now you're just saying made up things and presenting them as fact trying to strengthen your argument. Your "experts" on one side tell you there's nothing that can be done, yet we have experts in Italy saying there's a chance. You're blindly following one side only because it fits your original opinion while ignoring every other "expert." This is where taking the decision from the family is the problem. I have no idea if the kid would have survived or not, and neither do you, we do know for certain that the child was going to die for sure without it, and the government, who has no connection and doesn't give a single fuck about the kid, made the decision to just let someone else's kid die and deny parents the chance to get their kid treatment.
The court's decision was that removing the child from life support to move her on a journey that would take several hours would cause her added pain and suffering and be ultimately pointless.
That changes nothing, these people are constantly wrong about everything, so they're throwing out this line as justification for an evil decision they made.
She was 8 months old and unaware of "home".
You are forced to do so much speculation to justify your stance on this.
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Dazed is obviously another one who wants the government making as many decisions for them and everyone else as possible.
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Yermom_Is_God — 2 years ago(November 16, 2023 05:49 PM)
/. said...
Dazed is obviously another one who wants the government making as many decisions for them and everyone else as possible.
100%.
"I am Kamala Harris, my pronouns are she and her, and I am a woman sitting at the table wearing a blue suit." -A fucking idiot -
Dazed — 2 years ago(November 17, 2023 07:49 AM)
Yermom_Is_God said...
there are times when nothing can be done and this was one of them. They were presented with false hope
You have absolutely no idea if this is true. Zero. You've got your stance on it and now you're just saying made up things and presenting them as fact trying to strengthen your argument. Your "experts" on one side tell you there's nothing that can be done, yet we have experts in Italy saying there's a chance. You're blindly following one side only because it fits your original opinion while ignoring every other "expert." This is where taking the decision from the family is the problem. I have no idea if the kid would have survived or not, and neither do you, we do know for certain that the child was going to die for sure without it, and the government, who has no connection and doesn't give a single fuck about the kid, made the decision to just let someone else's kid die and deny parents the chance to get their kid treatment.
The court's decision was that removing the child from life support to move her on a journey that would take several hours would cause her added pain and suffering and be ultimately pointless.
That changes nothing, these people are constantly wrong about everything, so they're throwing out this line as justification for an evil decision they made.
She was 8 months old and unaware of "home".
You are forced to do so much speculation to justify your stance on this.
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You have absolutely no idea if this is true. Zero
I do absolutely know. It's an incurable condition and she was gravely ill with it, that much is absolute fact. Unless you're an expert yourself?
made up things and presenting them as fact
Isn't that exactly what the video is doing? Is that YouTuber an expert or just some ultra Conservative with an agenda?
ignoring every other "expert."
Which other experts? You mean the church based hospital in Italy who think that maybe, perhaps, there might be a small chance etc?
I have no idea if the kid would have survived or not, and neither do you,
Yes, you do and yes I do too and FYI this appeal was turned down by the European Court for
Human Rights
in Strasbourg. Think about what that means.
That changes nothing, these people are constantly wrong about everything, so they're throwing out this line as justification for an evil decision they made.
Who are "these people"? And "evil decision"?
Paranoia strikes deep in you.
You are forced to do so much speculation to justify your stance on this.
No I'm not, because unlike you and the OP I've fact checked and not been completely taken in by some YT video. She was 8 months old and had spent a large proportion of her short life in hospital, her parents were her home and they were with her. You try having a terminally ill family member hooked up to life support and see how you feel about moving them.
By the way it's a pity that you're not this passionate about the 1000's of children who have died as a result of guns. Just saying that you're a hypocrite in case you don't understand.
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/. — 2 years ago(November 17, 2023 07:56 AM)
Dazed said...
You have absolutely no idea if this is true. Zero
I do absolutely know. It's an incurable condition and she was gravely ill with it, that much is absolute fact. Unless you're an expert yourself?
made up things and presenting them as fact
Isn't that exactly what the video is doing? Is that YouTuber an expert or just some ultra Conservative with an agenda?
ignoring every other "expert."
Which other experts? You mean the church based hospital in Italy who think that maybe, perhaps, there might be a small chance etc?
I have no idea if the kid would have survived or not, and neither do you,
Yes, you do and yes I do too and FYI this appeal was turned down by the European Court for
Human Rights
in Strasbourg. Think about what that means.
That changes nothing, these people are constantly wrong about everything, so they're throwing out this line as justification for an evil decision they made.
Who are "these people"? And "evil decision"?
Paranoia strikes deep in you.
You are forced to do so much speculation to justify your stance on this.
No I'm not, because unlike you and the OP I've fact checked and not been completely taken in by some YT video. She was 8 months old and had spent a large proportion of her short life in hospital, her parents were her home and they were with her. You try having a terminally ill family member hooked up to life support and see how you feel about moving them.
By the way it's a pity that you're not this passionate about the 1000's of children who have died as a result of guns. Just saying that you're a hypocrite in case you don't understand.
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I was 100% with you until the guns comment. 100%. Great post.
Just a shame you had to go there, because guns in America = freedom from tyranny for Americans and most of the rest globe. No exaggeration. I can show my workings out if you're interested.
Unfortunately, the only way you'll ever believe me is when America falls and the whole planet falls into inescapable darkness.
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Dazed — 2 years ago(November 17, 2023 02:02 PM)
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I was 100% with you until the guns comment. 100%. Great post.
Just a shame you had to go there, because guns in America = freedom from tyranny for Americans and most of the rest globe. No exaggeration. I can show my workings out if you're interested.
Unfortunately, the only way you'll ever believe me is when America falls and the whole planet falls into inescapable darkness.
Hello Rittenhouse the Righteous (or slashdot if you prefer) and thank you.
Supposing all of that is true it doesn't prove that the yermom guy isn't a hypocrite. And what of the dead children, collateral damage?
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Yermom_Is_God — 2 years ago(November 17, 2023 10:14 AM)
Dazed said...
You have absolutely no idea if this is true. Zero
I do absolutely know. It's an incurable condition and she was gravely ill with it, that much is absolute fact. Unless you're an expert yourself?
made up things and presenting them as fact
Isn't that exactly what the video is doing? Is that YouTuber an expert or just some ultra Conservative with an agenda?
ignoring every other "expert."
Which other experts? You mean the church based hospital in Italy who think that maybe, perhaps, there might be a small chance etc?
I have no idea if the kid would have survived or not, and neither do you,
Yes, you do and yes I do too and FYI this appeal was turned down by the European Court for
Human Rights
in Strasbourg. Think about what that means.
That changes nothing, these people are constantly wrong about everything, so they're throwing out this line as justification for an evil decision they made.
Who are "these people"? And "evil decision"?
Paranoia strikes deep in you.
You are forced to do so much speculation to justify your stance on this.
No I'm not, because unlike you and the OP I've fact checked and not been completely taken in by some YT video. She was 8 months old and had spent a large proportion of her short life in hospital, her parents were her home and they were with her. You try having a terminally ill family member hooked up to life support and see how you feel about moving them.
By the way it's a pity that you're not this passionate about the 1000's of children who have died as a result of guns. Just saying that you're a hypocrite in case you don't understand.
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I do absolutely know.
No, you don't, and this is the problem, your retarded arrogance makes you believe you're the moral authority over someone else's kids.
Isn't that exactly what the video is doing? Is that YouTuber an expert or just some ultra Conservative with an agenda?
Yes, but we're not the ones saying the government should make these decisions for our kids, we believe the parents should, idiot.
You mean the church based hospital in Italy who think that maybe, perhaps, there might be a small chance etc?
Yes. I take it you don't have kids? You scummy piece of ****.
I don't care if it's religious or not, I trust a private institution more than the government.
Yes, you do and yes I do too and FYI this appeal was turned down by the European Court for Human Rights in Strasbourg.
No, you don't, all you're doing is repeating government propaganda.
Who are "these people"?
The government ghouls you blindly follow.
No I'm not, because unlike you and the OP I've fact checked and not been completely taken in by some YT video. She was 8 months old and had spent a large proportion of her short life in hospital, her parents were her home and they were with her. You try having a terminally ill family member hooked up to life support and see how you feel about moving them.
No, I'm a parent, and I will do anything and everything to make sure my child lives, I won't let an arbitrarily Court of dictators determine my child isn't allowed to seek potential care.
By the way it's a pity that you're not this passionate about the 1000's of children who have died as a result of guns.
By the way it's a pity that you're not this passionate about the millionss of children who have died as a result of abortion.
Shut the **** up, you childish clown.
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Dazed — 2 years ago(November 17, 2023 05:41 PM)
Yermom_Is_God said...
I do absolutely know.
No, you don't, and this is the problem, your retarded arrogance makes you believe you're the moral authority over someone else's kids.
Isn't that exactly what the video is doing? Is that YouTuber an expert or just some ultra Conservative with an agenda?
Yes, but we're not the ones saying the government should make these decisions for our kids, we believe the parents should, idiot.
You mean the church based hospital in Italy who think that maybe, perhaps, there might be a small chance etc?
Yes. I take it you don't have kids? You scummy piece of shit.
I don't care if it's religious or not, I trust a private institution more than the government.
Yes, you do and yes I do too and FYI this appeal was turned down by the European Court for Human Rights in Strasbourg.
No, you don't, all you're doing is repeating government propaganda.
Who are "these people"?
The government ghouls you blindly follow.
No I'm not, because unlike you and the OP I've fact checked and not been completely taken in by some YT video. She was 8 months old and had spent a large proportion of her short life in hospital, her parents were her home and they were with her. You try having a terminally ill family member hooked up to life support and see how you feel about moving them.
No, I'm a parent, and I will do anything and everything to make sure my child lives, I won't let an arbitrarily Court of dictators determine my child isn't allowed to seek potential care.
By the way it's a pity that you're not this passionate about the 1000's of children who have died as a result of guns.
By the way it's a pity that you're not this passionate about the millionss of children who have died as a result of abortion.
Shut the fuck up, you childish clown.
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your retarded arrogance makes you believe you're the moral authority over someone else's kids.
Incorrect, I'm applying critical thinking to the situation and this is my conclusion. If I thought the decision was wrong I would definitely say so.
Yes, but we're not the ones saying the government should make these decisions for our kids, we believe the parents should, idiot
Parents always know best right?
Yes. I take it you don't have kids? You scummy piece of ****.
I don't care if it's religious or not, I trust a private institution more than the government.
This is such a bizarre answer that I honestly don't know how to answer it? I'm starting to feel a bit sorry for you but not much.
No, you don't, all you're doing is repeating government propaganda.
So much paranoia and once again you don't seem to understand what a court's job is.
No, I'm a parent, and I will do anything and everything to make sure my child lives, I won't let an arbitrarily Court of dictators determine my child isn't allowed to seek potential care.
You would allow your child to go through extra pain when they are already gravely ill and dying? Yikes
By the way it's a pity that you're not this passionate about the millionss of children who have died as a result of abortion.
Shut the **** up, you childish clown.
I note that you haven't even attempted to refute that you don't care about the 1000's of kids who die from gun death. Yikes again
So many insults in your post, I forgive you because you're angry and probably in deep pain over this just like Lilith is. Please note though that this makes you the childish clown not me.
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Yermom_Is_God — 2 years ago(November 17, 2023 07:06 PM)
Dazed said...
your retarded arrogance makes you believe you're the moral authority over someone else's kids.
Incorrect, I'm applying critical thinking to the situation and this is my conclusion. If I thought the decision was wrong I would definitely say so.
Yes, but we're not the ones saying the government should make these decisions for our kids, we believe the parents should, idiot
Parents always know best right?
Yes. I take it you don't have kids? You scummy piece of shit.
I don't care if it's religious or not, I trust a private institution more than the government.
This is such a bizarre answer that I honestly don't know how to answer it? I'm starting to feel a bit sorry for you but not much.
No, you don't, all you're doing is repeating government propaganda.
So much paranoia and once again you don't seem to understand what a court's job is.
No, I'm a parent, and I will do anything and everything to make sure my child lives, I won't let an arbitrarily Court of dictators determine my child isn't allowed to seek potential care.
You would allow your child to go through extra pain when they are already gravely ill and dying? Yikes
By the way it's a pity that you're not this passionate about the millionss of children who have died as a result of abortion.
Shut the fuck up, you childish clown.
I note that you haven't even attempted to refute that you don't care about the 1000's of kids who die from gun death. Yikes again
So many insults in your post, I forgive you because you're angry and probably in deep pain over this just like Lilith is. Please note though that this makes you the childish clown not me.
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If I thought the decision was wrong I would definitely say so.
And that's the issue, you believe what you think is the moral authority. And because you've got your mind made up you're going to blindly follow every single propaganda talking point.
Parents always know best right?
Moreso than the government. But at least your openly acknowledging that you do believe the government should have more say over children than their own parents. You're a fascist piece of ****, but at least you're admitting it.
This is such a bizarre answer that I honestly don't know how to answer it? I'm starting to feel a bit sorry for you but not much.
Lol, good answer.
So much paranoia and once again you don't seem to understand what a court's job is.
I 100% understand. You're the one who isn't aware that the judiciary is a branch of the government.
You would allow your child to go through extra pain when they are already gravely ill and dying?
Again, you're just pushing garbage propaganda given to you by some bureaucrats who made the decision to let a baby die and denied it care, propaganda used to justify their evil actions.
I note that you haven't even attempted to refute that you don't care about the 1000's of kids who die from gun death.
It's a bullshit strawman argument. And I note that you haven't even attempted to refute that you don't care about the millions of kids who die from abortion.
You want the government to run your life and make all your decisions for you because you're helpless then fine, that's on you, but advocating the government run my family's life just because you're helpless.
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soapbox original gangster — 2 years ago(November 15, 2023 08:58 PM)
i dont a court should overrule a family decision, but that decision must exist in writing or digital and not some "he said-she said" about medical care. on the other hand, hospitals have finite space, resources, staff. should those get subordinated to the needs of one patient who in the most extreme case is non-responsive and clinicly "brain dead"?
so i say take the patient home and let the family care.
then tghere's insurance: you pay less than pennies on the dollar for a policy; should OTHER policy holders subsidize the care where costs could be millions, if the alternative is plug pulling?
i dont know. i have my wishes written and in digital so if/when, the trail is clear and unambiguois.
** in florida way back when, a woman named terri shivo collapsed and went into a non-respomsive coma. she and the husband had nothing in writing about medical decision making. under florida law, the spouse is the sole authority to make any decison, absent any legal documentation asserting other spouce's wishes.
her parents would not accept she was "gone." they pulled every dirty trick in the book, and then some, in order to gain control over her care. the doctors told the parents she would never regain awareness or communicate. the docs had no take on whether in this condition a person was passively aware and hearing/seeing. but under florida law, she was considered brain dead.
this went on for years. some dirtball filmed the woman and then via creative editing released a video purporting to show Shivo "reacting" to stimulus and questions. it was all fake. The husband became the ground zero for hate and violence, all in the name of keeping terri "alive." The "pro-life" crowd actually had signs reading "Kill Michael Schivo" at demonstrations. go figure! Parents were catholic as well as the daughter and husband. Catholic groups shamelessly profited off the parents' grief and desire to keep the woman alive.
the parents litigated the case at the county, state, and federal levels. they lost every single case not only on first taste but on appeal. they lost in the supreme court. If memory is ok, i believe "W-yuh" called Congress back INTO session for an emergency meeting where a Bill was written granting some kind of supra-national legal status or an affirmative directive to prevent plug pulling. it passed 433-0 in House and 99-0 in the senate. Bush signed it before the electrons on the printer were done cooling down.
i think that's when the SC declined to hear the case.
after the death, the autopsy showed the poor woman's brain had suffered an irreversible lack of oxygen and her entire higher functions were dead instantly.at no point from her collapse until death was she "aware" of her condition. her body still had periodic movement due to currents naturally circulating in the body.
well meaning people can **** up a bad sistuation just as easily as a bad person can destroy a good situation. Blame God for our fragile, fickle, feeble physical bodies and the need for constant care and not the healthcare system!