They are so used to these brooding comic book heroes that they can't come to terms with a man who is aggressive and, par
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XSIV4C — 13 years ago(February 15, 2013 02:04 PM)
I am not sure psychoanalysis. Maybe I misread your post. I thought you were implying that one must think The Last Stand was good just because one was an Arnold fan. I am a self professed Arnold fanboy who did not like The Last Stand. If that is not what you meant, then I guess we agree.
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psychoanalysis86 — 13 years ago(February 17, 2013 12:09 AM)
"Bad action films are just bad action films. Nothing to do with hipsters or pussification of society."
I suggest to you that action films that were "good" in the 80's wouldn't stand a chance today. If The Last Stand was released in the 80's with a younger Schwarzenegger, then it would be a hit. Hipsters, like I said, do have something to do with it.
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Prismark10 — 13 years ago(February 17, 2013 04:32 AM)
I actually did watch action films in the 1980s. I think people suffer from the memory cheats syndromes.
Let me mention a few good action films that did poorly in the box office. Nighthawks and First Blood. Both found a renewed lease of life on VHS. Then there were other Stallone disappointments which again only seem to find an audience on video release such as Cobra, Over the top.
Charles Bronson, a character actor who became an action star from the mid 1970s onwards. His 80s output were basically short run film releases that would find a following on video. I know I used to watch his films on VHS.
Arnie and Chuck Norris began to do B action films that did well on VHS and migrated to better cinema films. This is especially true of Arnie with Predator, Total Recall and Terminator 2. In fact despite my dissing of Arnie in other threads on this board, Total Recall is one of the best action films I have ever seen with magnificent special effects.
Yet at the same time there were some really dumb actions films made throughout the 80s and 90s and that was the advent of straight to video.
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XSIV4C — 13 years ago(February 19, 2013 07:04 AM)
hey psychoanalysis86, after having seen the box office numbers for the new Die Hard movie, I wonder if my theory holds any water at all. 25 million opening in February is not bad at all. Those are the numbers that Arnold and Sly should have gotten. Any thoughts?
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Prismark10 — 13 years ago(February 22, 2013 03:42 AM)
The success of Die Hard 5, not only in the USA but worldwide rather flies in the face of this 'pussification' theories.
Die Hard is an established franchise, but it has done well despite getting mixed reviews and maybe overachieved. Also Willis has been a more consistent presence in the box office, even though the last few years have been more erratic.
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Electric-101 — 13 years ago(February 17, 2013 01:02 AM)
OP is correct. Too many nerds/geeks/hipsters are pussfying this generetion with there need for comic book superheros with powers and vulnerabilities trying to be gritty and realistic while remaining metrosexual tone in PG-13 with lots of crazy CGI in 3D. Thats what dumbass airhead teens want these days. If this keeps up and Arnie/Stallone cant pull profits or even break even with there next projects then offically gone are the days of the mans man alpha male action films.
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MadDog-ThrashTillDeath — 13 years ago(February 19, 2013 12:21 PM)
I couldn't agree more teenagers these days seems to avoid real toughness at all costs . and are very hungry for big CGI scenarios and fantasy tales that is the hit right now but again new generations are born with big fancy video games and are idiotized by social networks all day long so this is the ffect we are getting . so dissapointing.
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XSIV4C — 13 years ago(February 21, 2013 06:00 AM)
i have to agree with psychoanalysis, it wasnt the CGI, as CGI is prevalent in other action movies that have done better. this post wasnt about "what is distracting to any particular person" cause i am sure it was distracting to you johnyflame. what i think this post was trying to figure out is WHY this movie and Arnold's movie flopped. my first thought was the "pussification" of society as i stated originally. but i must reconsider as the new Die Hard made close to 25M in the first weekend, which is what I thought Bullet and Last Stand would have made, as did Expendables.
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psychoanalysis86 — 13 years ago(February 21, 2013 10:21 AM)
Twerp? I'm sorry, I thought I was discussing this with people who were old enough to go see the movie. I don't tend to argue with children.
Johnnyflame, please start getting to bed on time and quit watching R-rated movies until you're old to get on an internet forum without insulting people.
Anyway, the new Die Hard film isn't just a stand alone film. It is a franchise that's in its 5th installment. That has more fan base than just Bruce Willis alone. I don't think Bruce Willis' "Hostage" took in too much money either and that was an action/thriller. These guys don't hold a movie alone anymore. Stallone's Rocky and Rambo made money because they were franchise films that pulled in a huge fanbase. Several fans of the Rocky films don't give a flip about Stallone's other films. It is the closest thing to comic books that these actors have gotjust look at the new Die Hard film and the amount of CGI it had. And as I said earlier, just look at the Expendables(also comic book style) film and the amount of CGI there.
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slade4ever — 13 years ago(February 21, 2013 10:43 AM)
psychoanalysis86:
They are so used to these brooding comic book heroes that they can't come to terms with a man who is aggressive and, partially, arrogant in his machismo.
First off, I love your name man.
Second, just to let you know, not EVERY comic-book fan is against Stallone-type action movies/characters.
Even though I'm a BIG comicbook fan, I LOVED Bullet to the Head as well as other great action masterpieces (i.e. Predator, Terminator 1/2, Enter the Dragon, Ip Man, Fearless, Unleashed, Rambo series, Die Hard 1/3, Lethal Weapon series, Shoot em up and MANY others).
I totally understand where you're coming from psychoanalysis86, just remember, some of us "nerds" are actually on your side.
Well, I've got news for you pal, you ain't leadin' but two things: Jack and sh*t and Jack left town