Or was he born with it?
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ToastedCheese — 3 years ago(October 04, 2022 04:09 AM)
Dahmer had a cruel streak in him that he couldn’t control. He was mentally ill it seemed by every measure, in that he couldn’t stop. Was he a narcissist though? Gacy and Bundy were.
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ToastedCheese — 3 years ago(October 04, 2022 08:08 AM)
Many kids are fascinated with animals and insects growing up and Dahmer was encouraged by his dad too. His dad wasn't a bad man and the series depicted road kill being dissected by them. Was Dahmer cruel to live animals?
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Even doves have pride — 3 years ago(October 04, 2022 01:40 AM)
Yes Dahmer was extremely lonely, isolated and a drunk
But he was also very cruel and violent… So it's hard to feel sorry for someone who committed
such horrific acts without mercy
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Vlad. — 3 years ago(October 04, 2022 08:50 AM)
He chose to do it.
It’s like an addict. You can have a problem with alcohol that never goes away. If you abstain from drinking and find other ways to satiate whatever compelled you to drink, you’ll be good. But if you dip in to it a little, it will take a mile and you’ll fall off the wagon.
He had a sexual motivation to kill. Perhaps if he had proper counseling and a better, more stable home life as a kid, he could have found healthier ways to channel his urges. Instead, he did the best he could and at the expense of many.
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Robgoblin — 3 years ago(October 04, 2022 11:01 AM)
Yeah I don’t think he had a choice more so than that he had the physical option to not do it. But as sick as he was, I don’t think he was mentally capable of stopping it. Or he would have.
This does not free him of any responsibility. I just think there’s an aspect here that is sometimes overlooked. How being born a monster is a misfortune too. For the person and his family. And I don’t think for one second parents neglect turn people into killers. That is brain damage and complete lack of empathy.
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Vlad. — 3 years ago(October 04, 2022 08:46 PM)
He was ****ed from day one. Or maybe day 600 - however old he was when he had the surgery, if that affected things.
It’s like a pedophile. They can’t alter their sexual urges but they can police their activity, knowing the harm that it does. Jeff knew he killed these people. He said in real life that he didn’t wear his glasses to his trial so he wouldn’t have to see the families’ faces. He felt some measure of shame for what he did, yet did it anyway.
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Robgoblin — 3 years ago(October 04, 2022 09:21 PM)
I think this is where empathy is key. A pedophile can have empathy with potential victims and abstain from pursuing it. But a full blown psychopath with no empathy at all, doesn’t really benefit from knowing and being aware the pain he’s causing. Cos it does not bother him. But I’m Jeffrey’s case, it did seem like he harbored some sort of guilt and compassion in the sense he killed them when they were unconscious so they wouldn’t suffer as much. So he was probably not that sadistic.
Although I’m way out in the territory of pulling things outta my ass here, and playing armchair psychologist. But where’s the fun if you cant elaborate eh…
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Vlad. — 3 years ago(October 04, 2022 10:38 PM)
We’re all playing armchair psych here.
Some docs said he wasn’t a true psychopath. He had emotion. He just couldn’t really experience it unless the people were incapacitated or, uh, dead.
Personally I do think he was a psychopath but I don’t think he was sadistic. He went through lots of effort to drug his victims before going to work. Although there were scenes with the neighbor hearing screams, I don’t know if that’s legit or for drama as he always used sedatives. That said, he lacked emotion and prob fits the clinical criteria for antisocial personality disorder.
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ToastedCheese — 3 years ago(October 05, 2022 11:30 PM)
Personally I do think he was a psychopath but I don’t think he was sadistic.
He was for sure psychopathic, and he coveted his victims.
As for his sadism, that seemed to come after the fact of them being dead, so I'm not sure if the measure is any different. Even if drugged out, there could still be some awareness of being strangulated. And not to mention what he did with the bodies. This is passive sadism and the victims families had to endure this aspect.
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Vlad. — 3 years ago(October 06, 2022 01:32 AM)
You can’t call that sadism. He’s a psychopath; He doesn’t care about the family at all. He has no empathy except some cognitive empathy. They wouldn’t even enter his thoughts when he goes for a kill
A sadist would have to derive pleasure specifically from the act of inflicting pain. Jeff didn’t give a **** about pain. He just wanted them to not be able to get away from him - ever.
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ToastedCheese — 3 years ago(October 06, 2022 01:54 AM)
I hear ya, yet what I was implying was “passive sadism”. He was being sadistic and didn’t know it in a sense.
I would consider the slaughter of live animals for food as sadistic on some level. It’s not just a job, those that do it WOULD derive some sort of deep dark enjoyment from it.
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ToastedCheese — 3 years ago(October 06, 2022 10:32 AM)
And self-absorbed, self-indulgent, entitled, cruel, creepy, perverted, sick, psychotic, yet I wonder if he would be considered an actual narcissist? They say all psychopaths are narcissistic?
Bundy was a narcissist, Gacy was a narcissist, yet Dahmer appeared to have a different type of air about his being.
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TaraDeS — 3 years ago(October 06, 2022 10:43 AM)
by ToastedCheese October 06, 2022 12:32 PM
Member since December 21, 2017
And self-absorbed, self-indulgent, entitled, cruel, creepy, perverted, sick, psychotic, yet I wonder if he would be considered an actual narcissist? They say all psychopaths are narcissistic?
Bundy was a narcissist, Gacy was a narcissist, yet Dahmer appeared to have a different type of air about his being.
All psychopaths and narcissists !!!
A reliable diagnosis by our MC-psychologist "Toasty".