eating the animal's fear
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katjajtak — 11 years ago(May 15, 2014 04:55 AM)
The daughter is so right and everyone's reaction to what she said was pathetic.
Eg. It's the way I was raised and I've been eating fear for so many years and I'm fine. A meal isn't a meal unless there's some meat.
So ignorant and totally disrespectful of the daughter's view.
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amsyco13 — 11 years ago(May 19, 2014 12:54 PM)
Her probelm was with the hippy dippy way she said it.
You eat the animals fear?
Fear is intangible. You can not eat fear.
It is a chemical reaction.
She is 100% correct that the meat is affected by fear and that chemical reaction. Hunters know this, which is why they try to kill an animal without causing fear.
But you can not eat "fear". That just sounds silly.
She went about explaining herself in the wrong way. But lets be honest, in that family, is there ever a right way? The family itself was pathetic, I would expect no other type of response.
Are you a bug Bill Murray?
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mimosveta — 11 years ago(May 20, 2014 05:35 PM)
It's natural reaction as stupid and primitive as it may sound
Anyway, who says we are not supposed to eat fear just cause we don't like feeling it.
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Trackmaster — 11 years ago(May 21, 2014 11:39 AM)
Remember, the meal on your plate is probably not hunted unless family or friends of the preparer hunted it themselves. Almost all meat that we eat is farmed. Ergo, the animal would not really be afraid, because they've lived their entire lives a certain way, and have no reason to think that anything is unusual when they're going into a slaughterhouse.
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eolloe — 11 years ago(May 24, 2014 12:58 PM)
Almost all meat that we eat is farmed. Ergo, the animal would not really be afraid, because they've lived their entire lives a certain way, and have no reason to think that anything is unusual when they're going into a slaughterhouse.
Oh, that's a nice, comforting thought. Except that when you consider that they've never been to the slaughterhouse before, it's pretty presumptuous to assume they don't experience stress from the experience.
Or to assume that they don't hear or smell things that frighten them, like, in the case of pigs, hearing squealing coming from animals ahead of them in the line. Or to assume, for those animals that are 'stunned' by exposure to carbon dioxide gas, that the experience of being suffocated into a coma isn't extremely stressful.
I'm not arguing that everyone should become a vegetarian.
But let's at least try to be honest with ourselves about what we are doing to the animals we choose to eat.
Here's an example of what an animal looks like as it's being suffocated with carbon dioxide:
I'd say there's probably a lot of fear in that animal as it experiences that.
Many meat packing plants in the US do this to pigs before they slaughter them, so that the pigs are unconscious when moments later they are killed and slaughtered.
Other plants stun the pigs using electric shocks delivered to the brain and heart. But on a plant's conveyor belt, what about the pigs down the line who are crammed tgether and can hear squealing coming from up ahead?
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I never really gave all of this much thought until I watched the film
La soga (2009)
, which has a scene set in what was probably the late '70s or early '80s of a real pig being slaughtered the old-fashioned way, from squealing like crazy to being shaved and sliced up. -
SataiDelen — 11 years ago(November 08, 2014 09:40 PM)
You are so wrong about the animal not feeling fear when they go to a slaughterhouse. You've obviously kept yourself in the dark about that fact. Now, I'm not a vegetarian. I eat meat. However, I am WELL AWARE of what goes on at a slaughterhouse, and if you think animals going in to those places are not TERRIFIED, you are extremely nave or highly obtuse.
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Stirchley — 10 years ago(August 12, 2015 11:57 AM)
Almost all meat that we eat is farmed. Ergo, the animal would not really be afraid, because they've lived their entire lives a certain way, and have no reason to think that anything is unusual when they're going into a slaughterhouse.
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Gary-Oldman — 11 years ago(May 22, 2014 05:44 AM)
That's what older generations do to their younger family members. Kind of use them as a punch line. I remember having to go on a special diet and couldn't eat meat. My grandparents couldn't mock me enough and my grandma tried shoving steak in my mouth.
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edrisi — 11 years ago(June 02, 2014 04:26 PM)
I obtain my meat from "The Comedy Abattoir".
They have a resident comedian-play Spike Jones and Morrisey records and pump in laughing Gas and Helium.
To see cattle laughing hysterically in a high-pitched "voice" is quite astonishing.
Visitors are allowed and all proceeds go to the Stoke Newington Railway Museum.
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always_keep_fighting — 11 years ago(February 09, 2015 09:42 PM)
That's what older generations do to their younger family members. Kind of use them as a punch line. I remember having to go on a special diet and couldn't eat meat. My grandparents couldn't mock me enough and my grandma tried shoving steak in my mouth.
It most certainly is NOT how older generations do to younger members of the family. At least not in our family, and I'm including my parents and grandparents, who have always treated me with kindness and respect, even as a child. God knows we don't treat our grandchildren that way. I'm so VERY sorry that you grandmother made you the butt of her jokes. I could NEVER do that do one of my children or grandchildren. And try to stuff food that they don't like in their mouth??? Horrible.
I sincerely hope that you don't carry these habits down to your kids. Children who are raised with love and respect learn love and respect.
This is one movie I wish I could un-see, EVEN THO the actors/actresses did a fantastic part with their characters.
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butaneggbert — 11 years ago(October 26, 2014 12:39 PM)
Of course. The consistent factor of family relationships in this film is disrespect, with very few exceptions.
If they welcomed her point of view or treated it as legitimate, that would have been downright peculiar. Why would a markedly dysfunctional family suddenly break stride to be kind and thoughtful? -
vendor-14 — 11 years ago(November 09, 2014 11:38 AM)
I saw that scene as a metaphor for the way the family thrives on causing each to "eat fear" by shaming and brutalizing each other. Even one of the kindest family members, Big Charlie, piles on Jean by shaming her over her explanation of her vegetarianism.
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Redart27 — 11 years ago(November 15, 2014 11:21 AM)
Anyone see
Temple Grandin
? She designed a slaughterhouse that minimized the animals fear and stress by having them follow their natural herding instincts up until the final moment. I am not sure how many slaughterhouses adopted this design. Seems like it should be the enforced standard.
There is a chemical reaction in the muscle and fat of animals under stress. The flight-or-fight response releases a whole cascade of hormones and natural chemicals throughtout the body. Here's a brief explanation:
http://science.howstuffworks.com/life/inside-the-mind/emotions/fear2.h tm
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BlackDog123 — 11 years ago(November 16, 2014 11:07 AM)
I really identified with that scene, because I have been there (though my family is nowhere near as horrid as hers). I went vegetarian of my own accord after reading Animal Liberation in the 7th grade, and I swear we had THAT EXACT CONVERSATION every Thanksgiving for about five years. After that my family gave up (I'm in my thirties now and still vegetarian, and it's been a non-issue for at least a decade). It was humiliating, my mom would always tell a story about me "sneaking" a cheeseburger (it was on my birthday, nothing sneaky about it, and it happened once).
Anyways, kids are idealistic. I think it's one of the great parts of being young (in general, not just the vegetarian thing). If it annoys you, why not say "that's nice" and move on, rather than humiliating someone a quarter of your age? When my much younger (ten years) brother discovered immigration reform, and yammered on about it endlessly and idealistically, I would tell him "you've given me something to think about" and change the subject. (I am pretty liberal in my political beliefs, but he was a total hippy about it)
I think the point of that scene was to show that even Chris Cooper, who was arguably the sanest person in that family, was unthinkingly cruel as well. No one listened to that poor kid, even though she was obviously acting out (smoking right in front of her parents, watching TV after her gramp's funeral).
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