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klimtgirl — 16 years ago(December 26, 2009 08:20 PM)
When Anna speaks about how her impressive, humanitarian-minded brothers and sister are amused by what she does for a living, there's a moment when she is very quiet and smiles in an embarrassed and pained way. For me, that very human, non-fashion-oriented scene showed more about who she is - and what she really wants - than any other part of the film.
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firstwinsgop — 16 years ago(January 08, 2010 09:06 AM)
Disagree. I think Anna is well aware of the importance of her work. The saddest part to me was when her bratty little daughter was talking about becoming a lawyer and indirectly belittling her mother's chosen profession.
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kimnet420 — 16 years ago(January 12, 2010 06:45 PM)
I agree with firstwinsgop. Anna mentioned that her children is her weakness and to have her daughter say something in the line of 'you can laugh at them..' referring to the fashion people is just sad for even me to hear.
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josiemurdoch — 16 years ago(February 08, 2010 08:51 AM)
I found a lot of the parts with Grace Coddington very sad, despite her often coming across as a bit of a moany child. She has worked at Vogue for 20 years, and Wintour did call her a genius in the film, yet a lot of her proudest work was thrown out just because Wintour said so.
But I do agree about the family mentions, both about her daughter and her brothers and sister. It's sad that the impression given was that her entire family thinks of her as a bit of a joke when she is seen as one of the most successful women in the world. -
ibbi — 16 years ago(February 08, 2010 03:48 PM)
Yeah, I think the very saddest moments were hers following rejection.
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gingerbreadman00 — 16 years ago(February 24, 2010 04:56 PM)
i agree with the first two posts completely. but the saddest moment for me(the one that made me cry) was when Grace Coddington was in that garden in europe and she says that she 'feels like i've been left behind' followed by saying that she is a romantic. i thought that moment to be so beautiful, and sad all at the same time.
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allenu — 15 years ago(April 10, 2010 11:41 PM)
Absolutely. That scene was very well edited and allowed to breathe a bit, if you know what I mean. You could feel how beautiful the garden was and as though you were experiencing that moment of pregnant pause with her.
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Sulalee — 16 years ago(February 27, 2010 12:29 PM)
That scene reminded me of how I told my mother that I didn't want to become a nurse like her only to have old sick people cough on me. But teens are just unappreciative like that towards their parents at times.
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bowery_boy — 16 years ago(March 01, 2010 01:45 PM)
I don't the think the daughter was being bratty. She was being forthright and honest. You also forget she has carte blanche access to what goes on behind the scenes of the fashion industry. I'm certian her opinion of, and possible disdain for, the fashion industry comes from first hand experience.
As an outsider looking in, it may seem all glamorous and exciting to have Anna Wintour as your mother but from her daughter's perspective, maybe not so much. We also don't know, based on that little snippet, what type of relationship Anna has with her children. Just because she says they're her life doesn't necessarily mean she has a great relationship with them or that she is a good mother (or that they're good children for that matter).
She did say that she has a great deal of respect for what her mother does but she could not take it seriously if she did it for a living.
And I don't think when she said some people in fashion are "laughable" and that "fashion is their life" was a dig at her mother. On the contrary, I think it was a dig at Andre Leon Talley and the other self absorbed idiots like him in the fashion industry.
I mean that entire tennis "lesson" scene was a huge joke and a major embarassment for those who are serious about the fashion industry but don't
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bing-57 — 16 years ago(March 01, 2010 02:52 PM)
I think Anna is well aware of the importance of her work.
Except that her work is not very important. She dictates fashion to millions of groupies. If she wasn't doing it somebody else would be. Those fashion groupies would follow anyone in any direction.
Anna is like the captain of a ship that is just bobbing along aimlessly in the ocean.
The saddest part to me was when her bratty little daughter was talking about becoming a lawyer and indirectly belittling her mother's chosen profession.
That was the most sincere part of the movie. Her daughter and her siblings all known darn well that Anna's job could be done by a trained monkey with a handful of darts. This week dresses that look like King Tut are in. Next week it will be flapper dresses. After that it will be feathers!
Those are the only people in the world that would dare tell her the truth. You can see the sadness and disappointment in her eyes that no one else dares to seriously challenge her. She doesn't respect anyone because of it. But her weakness is her family because they are the only ones she can trust to tell her the truth.
She is desperate for their respect and she knows that she is not getting it. And that's why she seems perpetually angry all the time.
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Noir-It-All — 16 years ago(March 13, 2010 03:10 PM)
That is the single moment that has stuck with me the most. Although I also agree that Anna is well aware of the importance of her work, I think we are all in thrall of our families. Her family's negativity has not caused her to change careers, though.
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goldenskies — 16 years ago(March 13, 2010 10:25 PM)
I felt bad for Grace Coddington. I loved the photo that Anna took out. I loved the others too. I remember the issue well and it's funny but that year was one of a bit of fashion decadence. Grace really produced beautiful photo shoots. Loved how she stood up for the cameraman's tummy!
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bing-57 — 16 years ago(March 13, 2010 11:31 PM)
Although I also agree that Anna is well aware of the importance of her work
No. We are on different pages here. I am pretty sure that Anna knows deep down that her work is not important. That is why it hurts her so much when her family disapproves. If she truly believed that her work was important it wouldn't matter what her family thought.
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Noir-It-All — 16 years ago(March 14, 2010 11:31 AM)
I help feed hungry people but, instead, my family tends to be in thrall of popularity and social success. It still hurt me.
If many on this board recognize Grace's talent (and importance) why not recognize Anne's? Grace does. Starting with the November 1989 issue, Anne's decisiveness reversed Vogue's decline in readership.
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goldenskies — 16 years ago(March 14, 2010 02:07 PM)
That's a fair observation, I think we all saw Grace's frustration and rallied to her defense but yes, Anna should get recognition. She made the point herself that the key is in the editing and sometimes editing must be brutal. If there are too many good shots from a single shoot, someone has to make the tough choices and as several have mentioned, the great photos, especially the one double page one, did show up in the next or following issue.
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sivilcavage — 15 years ago(April 26, 2010 09:40 AM)
you think? i didn't think her daughter was at all "bratty" but instead mature and self-possessed. sure she has her opinion but she's an adult and entitled to her opinion. she shouldn't be cowed into changing her aspirations just because of who her mother is. children of the rich and affluent struggle with that and it's easy to dismiss them as ungrateful or "bratty" but when you think about it some kids of powerful/wealthy people actually ARE spoiled brats with no direction but to their parents bank accounts.
so, i disagree with your disagreement. i think the daughter was a sobering reminder that not everyone is impressed with wintour's job or persona. that's not to say she doesn't love her mother, it's unfair to assume anything about that. it does appear though that she respects what her mother does but she's not about to impose that on her own life any more than it needs to.
i'd recommend you track down a documentary by jamie johnson called 'born rich'. it's an interesting take on just what it's like for the offspring of the rich and powerful to find their identity and become the kind of person that they want to be. you'd be surprised at how much some of those kids want to be normal in spite of their privileges.
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