Grace Coddington
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splash_wog — 16 years ago(September 16, 2009 03:09 PM)
I agree 100% with all you mentionedthe only two highlights of the documentary were that of Grace Coddington, who has far more charisma than the boring,pretentious Anna, and that of the down to earthness of the daughter.. I walked away from the film rather disappointed, but also walked away thinking how sad that we viewers see that Grace and Bee are the 'real' people in Anna Wintour's life, yet she fails to see that.
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linimckay — 16 years ago(September 17, 2009 02:18 PM)
I agree with you, grace is sooo incredibly talented. anna though came across I thought as a real person. she is probably a little shy or so absorbed in that world that she cannot come across strong except in her job. she seemed to me to be shy, or a little uncomfortable, then she said how her siblings had little respect for her work. Interesting how different from the Devil wears Prada everybody looked. A lot of older women no makeup, no hair style or clothing style really, except Anna who is very trim and dressed up when need be. Grace wore the same outfit in almost the whole movie
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reallivegirl — 16 years ago(September 18, 2009 12:36 PM)
My take: Anna is a bit envious of Grace's talent. I found her work SO incredibly amazing. It could be hanging in galleries and museums as far as I can see, not just in a fashion magazine. She puts so much effort into making the images perfect, and is so dedicated.
It was very frustrating to see the way Anna tossed out some of her work (some of the most beautiful images I've ever seen, not just in a magazine, but ANYWHERE). Grace was livid, but there's not much she can do about it. It must be so difficult for an artist to kowtow to someone who has control over your creations.
The fact that she's stayed at Vogue all these years? She said "your work needs someplace to go, or it's not valid." I think she's a bit afraid that her talent would not have anywhere to go. But she's completely wrongat this point she probably sees Vogue as part of her identity, but it doesn't have to be. She is a true artist with unbelievable vision. -
uhcoughar — 15 years ago(July 04, 2010 02:50 PM)
I think the difference is that Anna Wintour is a business woman, not a creative. Anna know what is going to sell and in many ways, she knows how to drive the market. The point of Vogue is to sell aspirational ideas so that we go out and buy them.
Grace's job is to be a creative. She pushes the envelope, but her ideas may not be marketable. Beautiful, creative, out of the box, does not necessarily sell well.
I think Anna understands what her role is and she does her job. She sells lifestyle to the masses.
Who said that Anna should be the guru of what we wear? Interestingly, Anna did and no one challenged the idea.she is brilliant. -
princessmcdreamy — 15 years ago(July 13, 2010 11:34 PM)
Exactly! You said it, uhcoughar, Anna is a businesswoman and she does her job excellently. So does Grace, but her job is different to Anna's. I think that the duo work really well together. I personally admire Grace a lot more because she has that creative vision and talent but I have a lot of respect for Anna and the magazine wouldn't be what it is without her.
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majas1 — 16 years ago(March 20, 2010 05:33 PM)
i agree, grace was just lovely, and brilliant, and seemed much more connected emotionally to her work (maybe not possible for someone in anna's position?) i adored vogue in my youth - pasted so many pictures to my bulletin board, maybe it takes both of them to make the magazine that inspires so many people. still, i could have watched a whole movie about grace! after seeing what - and how much of her work - got cut, i wish she did some sort of blog filled with the pictures she loved that didn't make it to the magazines. or even better, a "director's cut" sort of blog showing how she would have laid out the spreads if she had complete creative control.
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majas1 — 16 years ago(March 20, 2010 05:57 PM)
lovely article about grace (with a photo of her in white!) and her new book in new york magazine, including an explanation in her own words of why i'll never see my photo blog idea come to life:
http://nymag.com/nymetro/shopping/fashion/features/n7581/ -
sivilcavage — 15 years ago(April 26, 2010 09:27 AM)
agree 100%. i did think it was a little touching, the scenes with the daughter. especially the scene where anna goes into the house just to pick up papers, talk to the maid and say hi and bye to her daughter before taking off to another event/meeting. all the while her daughter's chilling on the couch eating a bowl of cereal not even so much as getting up to embrace her mother. it added another dimension to anna's perceived steeliness. she's a person but a very guarded person, she has to be though, i don't blame her. there are other moments where it seems like wintour has a glint in her eye of being at a loss for an opinion or words (sobering!) when her daughter expresses her ambivalence about wintour's world of fashion and fantasy. it's like they're two sides of the same coin: her daughter gets it but doesn't get it and therefore doesn't care about it as much as it seems her mother would prefer. after all's said and don't that's pretty normal for a parent-child duo!
and you're right about grace, there should really have been a doc about her. she's so candid, down-to-earth, even-tempered and is a perfect counterpoint to the impersonal and stoic wintour. i wonder if there would be or was a doc about her. her stories about her career and her work method really captivated me.
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sunnydaze_8 — 15 years ago(May 26, 2010 01:51 PM)
I just watched this film today and I too enjoyed Grace's personality more than I did Anna's but Grace did say that only Anna knew that putting celebrities on the front cover would be a trend setter. It looks like they are both creative in their own right and therefore need each other.
I also saw Anna on David Letterman's show (or Leno I forgot) when the film first opened and yes she was very shy and unsure of herself on the talk show. It's now funny to see her at the office and in total control of everyone around her. Deep down she is just as insecure as the next person but time and power has taught her to control it.
Grace on the other hand was clearly the good guy in this movie. I wonder if they needed a softer side to this story therefore they allowed Grace to be so candid on camera otherwise Anna made this film pretty boring by herself.