Disappointingly xenophobic
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lunamuna — 13 years ago(February 21, 2013 01:14 AM)
How do you know I haven't read it? Have you been watching me my whole life? What a ridiculous presumption to make. I have read it in fact, and in truth it's a mixed bag with some morally questionable chapters and some very morally sound chapters as well. The same way the Bible is. In fact, the most horrific stuff is in the Bible, which if you have read, I'm sure you will agree. So, do you consider every Christian who believes what the Bible says to be a terrible person too? Because I don't know what country you live in but if its the States then there sure is of a lot of Christians there. If you're in Europe then I'm sure you have at least one friend who considers themselves Christian. Do you hate them too?
I just find it incredibly ignorant the way it's the new fashion in the West to consider Muslims to be a separate entity from the human race incapable of rational thought simply because they are Muslim. There's as many different kinds of Muslims as there are fish in the sea. And truth be told, the social history of Christianity (the Crusades, the Nazis, the British Empire etc.) and Atheism (Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot etc.) has proved to be unrivalled in brutality.
My personal philosophy is to take every individual as they are and judge them by their own words and actions, not those of their supposed religion, group, culture, ethnicity etc. I think to do otherwise is irrational and betrays a lack of intellect. Hating one group on the basis of something intangible like religion is what allows things like the holocaust to happen. Breaking down people into mere categories dehumanises them and this is the first step towards something very very bad. -
vestdennis — 12 years ago(August 09, 2013 09:49 PM)
Once again we have someone who brings up the history of Christianity hundreds of years ago & uses that to bash Christians today. Yes, the Crusades were bloody & violent but there was violence & warring done on both sides (Muslim & Christian).
But if you compare the modern history of Islam we see a renewal of violence & attacks on the Western world. Not by all, but enough that over two dozen embassies had to be closed down recently. Christians, who were once welcomed in Iraq, Egypt & Turkey are now having their churches burned down, the women attacked & they are fleeing for their lives. -
Strazdamonas — 9 years ago(April 18, 2016 11:26 AM)
Crusades were a direct response to Muslims conquering by force over 2/3 of Christian lands spanning from middle east to as far as middle europe. If it wasnt for Crusades europe would be all Muslim now.
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NikolaAvramov — 12 years ago(June 29, 2013 09:28 AM)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albania
5% Orthodox Christians.
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Synetech — 12 years ago(July 06, 2013 07:44 PM)
or this page, with a link to the (at this time) 2011 Albanian census:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_Albania -
zanbuddha — 12 years ago(August 01, 2013 05:10 PM)
Lunamuna
What a dumb ass post. Let me be clear on few things.- Albanians have a HUGE muslim population and many of them are involved in human trafficking and prostitution. That is a FACT.
- Some muslims interpret their religion to enslave and treat non muslim women as dogs. If you are in the UK you will have heard of muslim grooming gangs who rape under age women, especially those that were caught in Rochdale and Oxford.
- Islam is NOT a race. Neither is depicting muslims (burkahs etc) in Turkey racist. It may be factually, slightly off the mark (I don't know I haven't been) but it's not racist you plum.
The movie I think does a great job in highlighting the problem that exists in Europe. This kind of stuff does go on and Albanians are KNOWN for it. Google it and do a bit of research before posting such uneducated crap.
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jacksflicks — 12 years ago(September 07, 2013 10:27 AM)
Well, it's an old thread, but I can't let that whopper go by. Albanians are majority MUSLIM, Christians making up about 17%. Couldn't you just look it up before posting such stupidity and making a fool of yourself and misleading others?
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cyanide-af — 13 years ago(February 19, 2013 04:33 PM)
You are totally right! This istanbul is unknown to me and yet I have been living here and precisely in the areas film takes place, which are ironically where tourists happen to be most of the time! and women who cover their faces are usually arabs coming as tourists not Turkish women.
Additionally Turkish people are annoyingly helpful they wouldn't leave you alone unless they are sure you do not need any help! and finally by the police presence in that area (Sultanahmet and Istiklal St.) you cannot even set off a firecracker let alone kidnapping and driving like crazy! The whole movie was bunch of crap put together to dumb down the audience! -
quetzalcoatl2012 — 13 years ago(February 23, 2013 09:34 PM)
I'll be honest, I couldn't read your whole post. That's because you bitch about racism towards Turks when it's insanely obvious the bad guys are not from Turkey.
soooo, yeah, no point in listening to someone bitch who doesn't know what the hell they're talking about. -
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largo-9 — 13 years ago(March 10, 2013 04:26 PM)
I guess you may be reading much into it. I am an atheist Turk and I didnt even watch the movie but honestly such action packed blockbusters always need a villain and if the plot is taking place abroad then surely the villain got to be a foreigner (or simply Muslims when you consider the spirit of this age). We Turks are always an easy option for the westerns -historically speaking -actually I am bit of surpised at the fact that they do not use us more. This is probably because we did not come head to head with USA as we did with most European nations in the last centuries.So the American audience is kinda indifferent towards the 'supposed' evils of our ways. Nazis, Japanese and Reds are outdated so it is the Muslims time (Serbs and ex-soviet thugs are still fair game) I would love to say "it is just a movie" but when you read some responds to your post, it is also obvious that it is not that easy to say that as well. I dont believe the makers of this movie had a "hidden agenda" to just trash muslims etc. but I can also argue that, intentional or not, it is these type of movie making or speeches or books that draw ire from Muslims all around the world and strenghtes the notion that all westerns see themselves as evil, uncivilized and barbaric stereotypes. And then the Americans wonder why the people that they are liberating actually fight against their liberators. Would you, if you were a muslim, trust a group of people who you think see you as something a bit more advanced than wild animals?
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lunamuna — 13 years ago(March 15, 2013 03:21 PM)
@Largo-9
You start off by saying that I am reading too much into it but you finish by concluding that xenophobic portrails of Muslims in the media are leading to increased tension and misunderstanding between Muslims and the West. I would agree with your latter statement. While it is true that this is just a typical hollywood action blockbuster, not some kind of intellectual study of Turkish culture, I don't think that this kind of portrail of Muslims is inconsequential. If this movie were just one example, then it would not mean much. But it is not just one example, it is part of a continuous flow of every-growing inaccurate and Islamophobic films. People may think that I am getting worked up about nothing but I don't think most people can see the forest for the trees. We are so used to seeing the Muslim as a terrorist, a frothing at the mouth raging fundamentalist (eg. Argo), or a faceless woman shrouded in black, that we have become immune to its distastefulness. We can look back at WWII Nazi propaganda regarding the Jews and feel disgusted by it, yet we cannot see the shocking parallels within todays media portrail of Muslims. And it's not just in films. It's in political rhetoric, right-wing newspapers, it's even in the graffiti in our local areas. Last year I found an anti-Muslim cartoon sticker posted opposite a local mosque near my house in the UK. At my previous residence, in London, I was witness to the EDL paying a visit to my local area to protest against Muslims living there.
In that respect, I guess this movie is but a drop in the ocean of the much wider and pervasive scourge of modern islamophobia.
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Artemis_Rules — 12 years ago(January 13, 2014 07:23 PM)
Its not because of movie like these that Islam have a bad rep.
Its because of thousands of minorities gets slaughtered each year in muslim countries, yet nobody talks about it. If EDL protest islam, then it gets all media coverage. If turkey passes a law that makes it harder for non muslims to live in turkey, it gets no attention.
Study this and watch how liberal try to make it seem like muslims are made the victim, though its usually the non muslims who are the real victims. othodox Christians/ catholics, Buddhist etc.
Islam is an ideology on par with Nazism, and just like My country fought the nazis when they were here, we shall fight islam. the very name means submission, and when you understand that, you understand that the followers of that religion have the same mentality as the christians did during the crusades.
Just look at a country like england. muslims speakers that wants to have sharia law, allow stoning, are getting allowed to speak in england, yet ELD is almost seen as a nazi organisation.
religion is like a prison for the seekers of wisdom