A massive problem.
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trevor-136 — 10 years ago(March 28, 2016 03:14 PM)
Pine made a pretence of wanting to leave after his recovery, Roper kept him, gave him a new ID so he had control over him. Pine robbed the Zermatt hotel and this attracted Roper to him, especially as he discovered his naughty deeds in Cornwall.
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torchwood1963 — 10 years ago(March 29, 2016 04:07 AM)
I have to say I still find it unbelievable that Roper trusted Pine. It was way to convenient and then how quickly Pine became too high in the ranks to Roper.
Not one person with a proper brain cell between them apart from poor (Corky), thinking that events were going a bit pear shaped as soon as Pine was on the scene????
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jellyroll2 — 10 years ago(March 30, 2016 10:52 AM)
I actually think Roper was just as seduced by Pine's charm as everyone else. You saw the admiring expressions on his face when Pine charmed or managed a person. Almost like a proud father. You saw the scales fall from his eyes once those truck blew up.
I too felt that he was way too trusting, particularly with how he had no qualms about Pine & Jed going off alone at all times of the day & night. Even sending them off together at times. But a) he's a complete narcissist so the idea of someone touching what was his was a foreign concept and b)Pine saved his son and by all accounts was just as shady and crooked as the rest of them. Roper believed it because he wanted to believe it, even with Corky waving red flags all over the place. -
mackay254 — 10 years ago(March 29, 2016 07:16 AM)
It's not just then, but also when he knows there's a leak, but doesn't seem to focus on Pine as being the most likely suspect.
But, you have to remember that there were 'leaks' in the Cairo debacle. As far as Roper is aware, he could be wholly discounted from that 'leak'.
He had met Pine in Zermatt; he was impressed by his 'unflappability' in the face of Corky's ribald humour; when he had teased him to take a drink to his naked girlfriend and again when Pine hadn't thrown away his cigarette - small things, but giving Roper a good and memorable impression.
And so to Mallorca Pine saved his son, nearly dying in the process; saved him lots of money and having done an exhaustive search, finds he's a wanted man - a thief and a murderer.
Corky's getting drunk all the time; taking the p!ss out of Roper; inviting 'tottie' to parties; p!ssing into the garden; is becoming a liability, because those with whom he is dealing don't trust him and creating scenes in restaurants, which Pine manages to diffuse.
To Roper: he wasn't the original leak; saved his son; is a criminal; unflappable and looks and speaks the part.
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tHe_cRacKfOx — 10 years ago(March 29, 2016 08:50 AM)
mmmmm..
impressed by an unflappability in the face of a bit of heavily homosexual orientated innuendo and not throwing a cigarette away.
please..
on the strength of that he's willing to oust the odious Corky (his pal and confidente) and bring Pine into the fold.
Nope
Roper only had to tell Corky to behave him self.
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mackay254 — 10 years ago(March 29, 2016 09:55 AM)
Read the rest!
All things mount up.
I once met some people, whilst on holiday, in Africa and met them again in Mexico! What are the chances of that?
I'd call it a spectacular coincidence. It just might be what Roper thought too. It's not beyond the realms of possibilty. -
madseavets — 10 years ago(March 31, 2016 04:41 AM)
All things mount up.
I once met some people, whilst on holiday, in Africa and met them again in Mexico! What are the chances of that?
I'd call it a spectacular coincidence. It just might be what Roper thought too. It's not beyond the realms of possibilty
I've met people I used to work with in different countries on three occasions. There was another time when I was talking to somebody at work about white water rafting. When we got to comparing photos, it turned out we'd been in the same raft a couple of years earlier - before we knew each other. -
alarson772 — 10 years ago(March 29, 2016 12:59 PM)
Exactly. The setup was so obvious. Plus the fact that Roper didn't even bother to look for the guys who "kidnapped" his son. Surely a rapacious thug like him would hunt them down and kill them. Plot Hole.
The whole story hinges on Roper believing Pine's story and since one could drive a truck through those holes, I had a hard time believing the rest of the story.
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whoiamnow — 9 years ago(February 02, 2017 07:42 PM)
I'm going to respectfully disagree. It's the conscientious way that Pine carried himself that appealed to Roper. Small things like that should Roper that Pine was of a different fabric. Those weren't just quirks that Pine had, there was purpose behind it.
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Zwergin — 10 years ago(March 29, 2016 12:36 PM)
Maybe because the Englishman looks nice in a suit and talks oh so nicely?
And he is manning the desk during the night, I am not sure how much that involves him in general management of the hotel beyond check-in/out and guest complaints during the night. -
madseavets — 10 years ago(March 31, 2016 04:47 AM)
What previous experience did Pine have to be an hotel manager. Was he in the catering core or work in that NAAFI?
If he was an ex army officer, we would be used to dealing with people, organizing things, situational awareness which would be useful to a hotel manager, I knew a "passed over major" who ended up managing a branch of a car rental company..
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blufftoni — 10 years ago(March 29, 2016 04:03 PM)
i have the same problem with Night Manager as I did with The Departed. There is a well established crew adn then a new face joins and things start turning to crap. they work out they must have a mole/leak but don't think to cut the new guy loose?
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mackay254 — 10 years ago(March 29, 2016 06:23 PM)
There is a well established crew adn then a new face joins and things start turning to crap
It had turned crap in
Cairo
. There had been a leak, in
Cairo
. Roper distrusted his established crew. He, as he admitted, trusted no-one.
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jellyroll2 — 10 years ago(March 31, 2016 09:09 AM)
Exactly. He'd already had a problem with info getting out and Sophie never said who she was working with. So he's already suspicious, then you get Corky, who was already part of the crew when Cairo happened, being openly problematic. Roper has no reason to connect Pine to Cairo. So while it's possible it's Pine, it's also very possible it's someone who was already in his circle because leaks were happening long before Pine was in his orbit. I think Roper was suspicious of everyone by then.
And like I said, he was just as seduced by Pine's charm as everyone else.