Clearly they wrap up the Undead Nightmare DLC in a way that would make it seem that they're trying to make it be part of
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Magic93 — 14 years ago(March 04, 2012 10:39 AM)
Clearly they wrap up the Undead Nightmare DLC in a way that would make it seem that they're trying to make it be part of the canon of the original game, as part of an event we just didn't see in the original storyline. Zombie outbreak happens some time after John gets home to his family in the original game, and everything is back to normal before he gets shot by the government and buried.
But, there are a few plot holes with that idea. Uncle gets shot and killed at the beginning of Undead Nightmare, so how could he come back to life for the ending of Red Dead Redemption? Also, at the end of Undead Nightmare it says "a few months later" and shows John buried and says his wife and son are dead as well, how is that possible?
Any insight?
That's putting it mildly, OO7
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Bioparadoxous — 14 years ago(March 04, 2012 02:08 PM)
This is a very old and tired question. The answer is "No" but obviously people can accept it however they want, and mostly will.
You can't know what you're talking about if you don't know what you're saying.
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Chad-Warden — 14 years ago(March 04, 2012 05:24 PM)
I guess I like to think of it as a parallel universe or a "What could have happened?" type of thing. Because it just doesn't fit in with the original storyline. Or maybe it takes place
after John dies in RDR and he's in purgatory
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Bioparadoxous — 14 years ago(March 05, 2012 11:35 AM)
Yeah, I forgot to take that into account when writing my response. There are quite a few stories (movies in particular) that follow the
death-dream, or afterlife
scenario. Which I won't ruin here for obvious reasons. Most of them are pretty good though.
I like the idea of playing right up to
the point where John dies, and turning it off just before firing, and starting up Undead Nightmare, then going back and replaying the mission after that's completely done. That way you're kind of re-positioning events to make narrative - but not literal sense. John talks a lot about being 'in hell', but not about dying - which he doesn't seem to remember. So if you were going to play them in some kind of 'canonical order' it wouldn't make sense to play Red Dead right after John's death, IMO. One could also look at the events of UN as a race for John to redeem his soul before his passing. In any case, whether you consider it 'canon', there's very little doubt about whether the story should be taken
literally
if you do.You can't know what you're talking about if you don't know what you're saying.
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jpowers4667 — 12 years ago(May 29, 2013 04:40 PM)
I just completed Undead Nightmare. Am I the only one that wishes they would have added a storyline for the undead John? I think it would have been pretty interesting to see him interact with the living outside of the few side missionssuch as protecting towns.
Or maybe they could have killed him halfway through this storyline (allowing both the original and undead storyline to synch smoothly), have him rise from the grave, finish the Undead storyline, thus allowing him, and the rest of the zombies, to finally rest. -
JamesMcFly — 11 years ago(January 12, 2015 06:51 PM)
Undead John is just for fun. A cool way to finish goals you didn't while playing the main story.
As far as cannonmis concerned, not sure. I think of it as an altrnate reality scenario where the government didn't turn on John.
But I also like the idea of john being in purgatory trying to redeem his soul in this weird zombie outbreak. And then when he comes back to life its just a dead body and not really John, as he's moved on, and THIS is where the undead nightmare really starts!