I really don't understand why it is hated soo much
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buffyslayer12-1 — 10 years ago(March 23, 2016 02:27 PM)
What I find amusing is that he has read enough "bad reviews" on this board but call him a foxholmer and he has no idea what you are talking about. As though he has read page after page of how much people hate this movie, so much so that he almost didn't watch it (as seen in the other thread), but all the people that have repeatedly made threads defending this POS movie and calling the MCU "kiddie" over and over, he just completely passed over those threads and has no clue what you're talking about, "What is this "foxholmer" you speak of?" As if he's doing the Phil Hartman caveman lawyer bit from SNL.
Obvious contrarian troll is obvious, and contrarian. And deserves to be ridiculed for the attempt. I cast ridicule upon thee troll, RIDICULE, and SHAME, may they forever be upon thee. (I need to go to bed now I'm beginning to speak in old timey English like I'm in Asguard or something.). -
Reznik_T — 10 years ago(March 23, 2016 04:13 PM)
Okay, I'm trying to understand what is going on here. So, since it was Fox that made Fant4stic, a foxholmer (shouldn't it be a "foxhomer" by the way?) is someone who, for some odd reason, has an emotional connection to Fox, so will defend any beep Fox movie on IMDb, even if it's the worst thing ever? Do I understand it right? Because if I do, this is the silliest thing I've ever heard, and if you really mean it, I gotta tell you, you seriously need some help.
By the way, I didn't read the bad reviews on this site, I heard them from movie reviewers on youtube mostly. And I don't give a beep, whether a movie is made by Marvel, DC, Fox or any other studio. This MCU/DC/fanboy whathever talk is the most ridiculous and childish thing ever. Who cares if a movie is made by Marvel, DC or Fox? Because I don't. I just want to see good movies, that's all! -
zaphod08 — 10 years ago(March 23, 2016 06:18 PM)
Ok, I'm willing to assume you have genuine motives, Reznik. No, it wasn't the worst movie ever. I doubt any of us have ever seen the worst movie ever, because it was so bad it disappeared long ago. Unless it was Manos Hand of Fate. For me, the worst big budget movie of recent years was Noah. I gave it a two. FF on the other hand I gave a 4. For the record, have you ever read the comic book or seen the other movies?
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Reznik_T — 10 years ago(March 24, 2016 12:14 AM)
I never read the FF comic books, and I didn't see the earlier movies either, but I knew the concept, I had seen images of the characters, and I'm pretty sure I saw some episodes of the TV show when I was a kid.
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buffyslayer12-1 — 10 years ago(March 24, 2016 12:48 AM)
Alright, I'll try giving you the benefit of the doubt as well. Let me start by saying, Stockholm syndrome is a real thing, Google it, so no it should not be foxhome syndrome. It is a jokey term used to describe fox fans that have been abused so much they now defend the studios bad decisions like their life depended on it. Why something that is obviously a joke would make you sad, well, I'm not sure but saying I need help because you don't get my sense of humor, that others on this board do (I'm not the one who started calling them that but I did think it was mildly humorous) , says more about you then me.
Second, had you bothered to backtrack a little, you would see that for months people that have had rational and calm discussions about the quality of this film have been relentlessly badgered by said "foxholmers" until they, (myself included) have reached a point where anyone who shows up on the board that supports the movie, is doubted as being an actual account/ real person. 4 or 5 people have created multiple sock accounts, in an effort to do some kind of odd ritual where they start reasonable discussions, as if they are going to change people's minds about a bad movie, and then when they don't, they start with name calling, childish insults and racial/sexual slurs. And while you may have felt personally attacked by my Shame and ridicule comment, you will see that I only attacked you're taste in film/my suspicions about whether or not you are one of those fake accounts I mentioned. I did not call you childish, I did not insult you, nor did I attack your sexuality/preferences. So I will take responsibility for being a little "trigger happy" maybe your just a regular dude that stumbled on to a bigger argument then you realized. If so, I apologize. I still think you have bad taste in movies, but I'm sorry if I came off as rude.
Third, most of us here, even on YouTube from what I've seen, don't think it's the worst movie ever. Some have argued that it's the worst comic book movie ever, and that's a debatable point, (aren't all points debatable really?), some have argued it's the worst comic book film in the modern era of CBM's, (I fall in that category and honestly maybe even worst ever depending on how my mood is that day, and it's been a while since I've seen Catwoman.), it's also been said that it's the worst movie of 2016, along with 50 shades. The reality is, its not the worst movie ever made, that would be a silly claim, but if you go in expecting the worst movie ever, it's gonna be way better then you expect, if however you go in expecting a good Fantastic Four movie, you're gonna be disappointed. A good CBM?, again disappointed. A good movie?, again disappointed. It's dull boring and plods along worse then a German black and white student film. You say it had humor, but as we established earlier your sense of humor and mine varies greatly, but the only thing even remotely funny was MBJ's quips as Johny, and to me they just weren't funny and that last one, "The thing nobody wanted", was just mean spirited and nasty.
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Reznik_T — 10 years ago(March 24, 2016 06:08 AM)
Alright, I'll try giving you the benefit of the doubt as well. Let me start by saying, Stockholm syndrome is a real thing, Google it, so no it should not be foxhome syndrome. It is a jokey term used to describe fox fans that have been abused so much they now defend the studios bad decisions like their life depended on it. Why something that is obviously a joke would make you sad, well, I'm not sure but saying I need help because you don't get my sense of humor, that others on this board do (I'm not the one who started calling them that but I did think it was mildly humorous) , says more about you then me.
Let me start with this: Being a fan of any studio (Marvel, Fox, Warner, DC, Paramount, whatever) is something I simply cannot relate to. I keep seeing comments under youtube movie review videos, as one person calls someone else a "DC fanboy" because they're saying something positive about a DC movie. The same thing with Marvel movies. For me the whole phenomenon is stupid. So I don't agree with being a fan of any studio, and judging movies based on that, but putting other people in a box, because they like a certain movie is pretty much the same thing.
Also, I checked your account, and you've been commenting on the Fant4stic message board for 6 months! It's like you can't get over it, it seems like you're on a mission to bash this movie. Which is your call, you have a freedom to do it, I just think it's not normal. If a movie is bad, you don't need to keep proving it.
Third, most of us here, even on YouTube from what I've seen, don't think it's the worst movie ever. Some have argued that it's the worst comic book movie ever, and that's a debatable point, (aren't all points debatable really?), some have argued it's the worst comic book film in the modern era of CBM's, (I fall in that category and honestly maybe even worst ever depending on how my mood is that day, and it's been a while since I've seen Catwoman.), it's also been said that it's the worst movie of 2016, along with 50 shades. The reality is, its not the worst movie ever made, that would be a silly claim, but if you go in expecting the worst movie ever, it's gonna be way better then you expect, if however you go in expecting a good Fantastic Four movie, you're gonna be disappointed. A good CBM?, again disappointed. A good movie?, again disappointed. It's dull boring and plods along worse then a German black and white student film. You say it had humor, but as we established earlier your sense of humor and mine varies greatly, but the only thing even remotely funny was MBJ's quips as Johny, and to me they just weren't funny and that last one, "The thing nobody wanted", was just mean spirited and nasty.
What I got from the reviews I had heard is that the movie was a disaster. I actually kept postponing watching it, because I'm fine watching a movie so bad that it's actually good, but I don't want to waste my time watching something that's just plain bad. But finally yesterday I decided I would watch it anyway, and we'll see. And not being a hardcore comic book fan or a F4-fan, I really felt that the hate it got is way too excessive. Actually there was nothing about it that was specifically bad. The acting was fine, the plot was simple, some of the special effects were actually good (but there were also some that were definitely not good). I can also think of two scenes right now that was funny: First, when Miles Teller and Michael B. Jordan ended up fist fiving, of course it's not a huge joke, just a funny little gag, but it did make me laugh. The other one was the very end when they tried to figure out a name for themselves. That was so campy that it was actually funny, and I'm pretty sure the makers of the movie knew it too, and that's what they meant. -
buffyslayer12-1 — 10 years ago(March 24, 2016 10:59 AM)
Also, I checked your account, and you've been commenting on the Fant4stic message board for 6 months! It's like you can't get over it, it seems like you're on a mission to bash this movie. Which is your call, you have a freedom to do it, I just think it's not normal. If a movie is bad, you don't need to keep proving it.
Actually this was the first movie that I actually felt like joining a discussion on in spite of being registered for 9 or 10 years. After joining this particular conversation I found that I actually like a few of the posters on this board. I would name names but that would feel too much like a five year old naming their new friends that they made at school today. And you may say, that's well and good but why don't you comment on any other movies where the same people hang out? Well, I have severe OCD when it comes to certain things, primarily spoilers, in regards to this particular conversation, you see I don't want to have BVS spoiled because I went over to that board to chat. I don't want my Civil War experience ruined because I learned of some behind the scenes shenanigans. So I won't even look at other boards until I've caught up and actually seen those movies. I did try commenting on the Agents of Shield board a few times but I missed a week, then couldn't catch up, needless to say I now avoid that board and am in a situation where I gotta watch hours and hours of Tv before I can watch season 2 of Daredevil let alone see Civil War. I did see Star Wars and thought about joining that discussion but I seemed to be in the minority on that board in so much as I liked the movie, so I kept my yap shut. So yes, I freely admit to being a freak, not the kind you've deemed me to be but yes I am odd. All that being said, I also realize that fewer and fewer people actually care about Fant4suk, and my on line conversations on IMDb are getting further apart. And I do have every intention of finally watching all the things I'm behind on, it is a chore that I can't really devote time too atm. Whereas, chatting on the FF board, only takes a few moments of my time. (I can type while I'm on the potty if a feel like it. ) so while you look at it as spending six months bashing a movie that doesn't deserve it, I look at it as something to do while I sh!! The same motive that makes you feel is not worth someone's time, is the same one I use as an excuse to keep doing it.
But I do gotta point out, while I might have been premature in suspecting you of being a troll, I did apologize for that. You have kinda been a little rude yourself. But perhaps I've just read some of your words the wrong way and misinterpreted them. The subtleties of human speech are so difficult to pick up over text after all. So perhaps we should stop discussing our personal differences and stick to the movie. So that's the last I'll say about any of that.
What I got from the reviews I had heard is that the movie was a disaster. I actually kept postponing watching it, because I'm fine watching a movie so bad that it's actually good, but I don't want to waste my time watching something that's just plain bad. But finally yesterday I decided I would watch it anyway, and we'll see. And not being a hardcore comic book fan or a F4-fan, I really felt that the hate it got is way too excessive. Actually there was nothing about it that was specifically bad. The acting was fine, the plot was simple, some of the special effects were actually good (but there were also some that were definitely not good). I can also think of two scenes right now that was funny: First, when Miles Teller and Michael B. Jordan ended up fist fiving, of course it's not a huge joke, just a funny little gag, but it did make me laugh. The other one was the very end when they tried to figure out a name for themselves. That was so campy that it was actually funny, and I'm pretty sure the makers of the movie knew it too, and that's what they meant.
As I said, our senses of humor are two vastly different creatures apparently. As for the hardcore fan part, that I most definitely am. I'm more of a DC comic guy but love comics in general. When you take that into account the movie is a big middle finger to the source material. And again I will restate, while you say there was nothing inherently bad, I disagree. It just wast a good movie, not from a major studio. If it was a direct to DVD movie made to cash in on the big budget Fantastic Four movie, in the vein of Transmorphers and Snakes on a Train, then sure, it's not an awful rip off, although it would have needed much more TnA for the direct to video market. But as a big budget movie that cost $120 million plus the cost of reshoots It left a lot to be desired. There are only two major locations, Planet X and the basement of the Baxter building. You say the CGI was decent but if you rewatchable it you will see that the Thing actually changes size throughout the movie. Then there is the script. Why was the teacher such an ass? He woul -
Reznik_T — 10 years ago(March 24, 2016 12:31 PM)
As I said, our senses of humor are two vastly different creatures apparently.
Well, that's just life. I can appreciate different kinds of humour.
I'm more of a DC comic guy but love comics in general. When you take that into account the movie is a big middle finger to the source material.
I accept that, but not being a comic fan myself that doesn't bother me.
But as a big budget movie that cost $120 million plus the cost of reshoots It left a lot to be desired.
I did have the sense too, while watching the movie, that it doesn't have that grandiose atmosphere about it like most of the big budget comic book movies (which actually did have a bigger budget by the way: Age Of Ultron 250 million, Man Of Steel 225 million, TDKR 250 million, Winter Soldier 170 million). That is one of the reasons I didn't give it a 7 or an 8.
Why was the teacher such an ass? He would have been fired for treating any student that way let alone one who actually passes all the tests, which Reed would.
Why was he an ass, you mean after Reed blew up the backboard? I think the teacher was jealous because Reed was smarter than him. I see no problem in picturing a teacher like that in a comic book movie. And by the way, how do you know he was not fired later? The movie doesn't tell us anything about that, because it's not important.
Why is racing cars such a dangerous lifestyle choice? It's actually a mainstream career choice these days.
The guy just had an accident, broke his arm, and from their conversation you can assume that probably he had already had issues prior to that. We also know that he was using his father's money, so it was a normal parental reaction telling his son to earn the money he needs for fixing the car by working for him.
Why does Doom want to destroy the earth?
Earlier in the movie Victor already expressed his view on the condition of the world, how it's heading towards destruction and how the world doesn't deserve to be saved. You could definitely tell that Victor already had a dark side, even before becoming Doom, and just like in real life, in movies it can also happen that a major shock will push a person into one of two directions: they will either become better or worse. Eventually they will be a hero or a villain (especially in a superhero movie!). In Victor, after the major shock (being left behind in the other dimension) darkness prevailed, so what earlier was only a theory in his mind (the world deserves the destruction it's heading towards), now became the reality: he himself became a tool for destruction.
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buffyslayer12-1 — 10 years ago(March 24, 2016 12:47 PM)
Those were just a few of the problems I saw off the top of my head. There were more but the bigger issue was that to me it wasn't a FF movie and all those little things that you would normally ignore became big issues as I looked for something to like but instead found more and more to not like. What it boils down to is, if you're looking for a FF movie, this is the worst movie ever, if you're not, well it's a poor sci fi movie that doesn't look like the $120 million plus spent on it. Worst movie in all of existence, no, worst Fantastic Four movie, yes. Worst CBM, debatable. But I've gone over that previously.
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iLikemovingimages — 10 years ago(March 24, 2016 10:29 AM)
Reznik, this is why no1 comes to this board anymore. There is a certain group of virgins that grew up with no friends, and they camp out on this board(daily). They are all millenals as you can tell because they love the avengers so much. If they were late 20s/ older they wouldn't be this obsessed with the avengers because no1 gave a shlt about them in the 90s and before. You've had the pleasure of meeting most of them already.
Basically, if anyone expresses a positive thought about this film, they get beyond sensitive and lose their minds. It's actually quite funny to see just how upset they get that someone else could actually enjoy this movie. This movie wasn't that bad.
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buffyslayer12-1 — 10 years ago(March 24, 2016 11:06 AM)
Before you make friends you may wanna check posting history. Your new buddy there is the one I was talking about that resorts to accusations about sexuality and the like. He's one of the reasons people get so defensive on this board. His use of the term virgins should have tipped you off.
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iLikemovingimages — 10 years ago(March 24, 2016 11:18 AM)
Relax child. I haven't been on here for a loooong time. Looks like you guys are STILL here. It's really not my fault you don't know how to make real life friends so you stick to this message board. I'm not the one who has a welcoming committee of virgins that harass any new poster. That's you and your weirdo compadres. Just look at the responses this dude got ALL FROM SAYING HE DOESNT UNDERSTAND WHY ITS HATED SO MUCH. That's it. That's all he said. And I'm the troll? You claim to be OCD but you might just be mentally challenged.
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buffyslayer12-1 — 10 years ago(March 24, 2016 11:33 AM)
Fair point. But you might wanna look at the response I just got from him. It's stuff like that that explains my reaction to your first post far better then I can. Matter of fact when I first showed up on this board I actually used to defend him and his right to have his own opinion to the other posters. Then he got mean. It's him and a few others that have ruined it for anyone that does honestly not hate this movie and wants to express their opinions on this board. But like I said, I'm sorry if I wrongfully fenced you in as a sock account.
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iLikemovingimages — 10 years ago(March 24, 2016 11:51 AM)
I'm being mean lmaooooooo.
God bless the specially challenged, they need it. Now I remember just how backwards this board is.
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buffyslayer12-1 — 10 years ago(March 24, 2016 12:07 PM)
So let me get this straight, you haven't been here in months, I haven't attacked you personally by your own admission, and you decide to come back and attack me personally because I may have overreacted to a guy, that I've already apologized too. But I'm the "specially challenged". Seems to me one of us is a jerk, to put it as politely as possible. But I guess I'm the one in the wrong here.
Of course I better watch myself or you might challenge me to one of your imaginary internet fights.
