the Just Stop Oil people are really admirable?
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dbentley666 — 2 years ago(August 02, 2023 10:25 PM)
So what if some idiot car-owners are blocked and sit there with their engines idling?
The West, especially America and Great Britain, have had something like a ****ing century to try and cut back emissions (that's how long scientists have been warning them) and what have they done?
They have ****ing increased their emissions!
So yes, it's time to rub the faces of the ignorant consumers in the dirt and say: Hey, wake up, ****tards, people like you are destroying the earth! We need a zero emissions policy! That means no more fossil fuels being burned. That means no more cars, no more economic growth, no more destruction of species.
Is that simple enough for you, you moron?
The protestors are the admirable, moral human beings. The people resisting them are the short-sighted, greedy, we-want-our-comforts-let-the-rest-of-the world-go-hang imbeciles who ought to kill themselves.
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Lilith — 2 years ago(August 02, 2023 11:08 PM)
For one thing, and let's get this clear right off the bat, I am not a moron. Those would be the ones gluing themselves to pavement and risking losing their hands and wrecking their faces that they glue to the pavement as well. Pretty soon, people are going to get fed up and rip these idiots from the ground. This is not going to make a difference.
Yes, causing traffic jams which have resulted in ambulances being unable to get people in critical condition to the hospital is a problem. You obviously don't care about the health and welfare of human beings if you're willing to let some knuckledraggers with too much time on their hands and too much air in their heads engage in stupid behaviour to disrupt people getting on with their lives.
If someone is sincere about wanting to make a difference, then by all means, go make that difference. Get involved in the things that will have an impact and make changes. Do your part for what you believe in to fix the problems, not become another one.
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dbentley666 — 2 years ago(August 02, 2023 11:18 PM)
I'm sorry, but anyone who adopts the position that you have is definitely a moron. Let's look at your go-to advice:
You must not protest in such a way as to disrupt the functioning of a society that is hell-bent on destroying the world we all live in. You think daily traffic not being disrupted is some kind of great thing, instead of being (what it is) clear proof that we have foolishly bought into a paradigm of endless growth and exploitation of the natural world.
And what is your advice for these protestors????
Go to the university, get a degree, join a political party, and (wait for it!)
become part of the solution
!!!!!
That takes perhaps a decade or two! Has it not occurred to you that carbon emissions are already causing hundreds of thousands of deaths, species extinction, and wars? Not to mention that most scientists believe that if we continue on the path we're on, we ourselves face extinction????
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dbentley666 — 2 years ago(August 02, 2023 11:26 PM)
Why have you changed your target from traffic-stoppers to people who glue themselves to the pavement? Traffic-stopping protestors are drawing attention, in the most direct and simple way, to the big problem: carbon emissions. They are smart, admirable, courageous, and worth about twenty timid conformists like you.
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Lilith — 2 years ago(August 02, 2023 11:47 PM)
I haven't, since they're both doing the same thing. Some are gluing, some are not. You were the one who changed the subject to start the race baiting.
You never answered my question: How does gluing yourself to pavement save the world? Please explain that to me in a way that really makes sense.
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dbentley666 — 2 years ago(August 03, 2023 12:35 AM)
Why should anything save the world? Is the world worth saving at all? Gluing yourself to the pavement to protest carbon emissions is somewhat more dignified than not doing anything, which is what you recommend.
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Lilith — 2 years ago(August 03, 2023 01:01 AM)
Why should anything save the world? Is the world worth saving at all? Gluing yourself to the pavement to protest carbon emissions is somewhat more dignified than not
doing anything, which is what you recommend
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You apparently did not read my posts. I repeatedly have stated that if they are passionate about making a dent in this issue, then instead of creating another problem, become a part of the solution. Get into politics, grassroots if need be, become educated in how to make changes that are necessary so that you can help to get those changes brought before the government where policies are made.
Policies are not made with Gorilla Glue and pavement.
Absolutely nowhere did I suggest "do nothing."
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Darth Tykohn. — 2 years ago(August 03, 2023 01:21 AM)
Get into politics, grassroots if need be, become educated in how to make changes that are necessary so that you can help to get those changes brought before the government where policies are made.
but that's the whole point of the protests, changes have to be made NOW THIS MOMENT or we are ****ed! global warming and nature will not wait for them to become politicians that can change sth for the better. changes have to be made NOW, not in 10-20 years. do you not get this?
it's too late to be all calm now, sit back and take these things easy. people are already dying all over the world bc of the man-made climate catastrophe. many more will die, in the end everything will collapse if we don't make changes NOW. if its not already too late… -
Lilith — 2 years ago(August 03, 2023 01:27 AM)
And how does gluing your hand to the pavement affect change NOW? How is that any more effective than actually trying to make political changes that will stand and require corporate agreements? Glue is stronger than politics?
Again: If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem.
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Lilith — 2 years ago(August 03, 2023 01:34 AM)
138 said...
It causes disruptions to things that cause greenhouse gases and forces people to pay attention.
Yeah, people are paying attention, and they're getting pissed off at the idiots who are keeping people from getting to work and to the hospital, NOT to the causes that they're trying to draw attention to.
Rosa Parks did the right thing by doing the right thing. She didn't stand in front of a bus or block ambulances.
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138 — 2 years ago(August 03, 2023 01:38 AM)
Lilith said...
Yeah, people are paying attention, and they're getting pissed off at the idiots who are keeping people from getting to work and to the hospital, NOT to the causes that they're trying to draw attention to.
Rosa Parks did the right thing by doing the right thing. She didn't stand in front of a bus or block ambulances.
Of course they're getting pissed. All direct action pisses some types of people off if they're doing it right.
Her disruption may have made a lot of people late by refusing to move.
Don't blaelme the protesters. Blame the people in power refusing to do anything.
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Darth Tykohn. — 2 years ago(August 03, 2023 01:32 AM)
it is trying to give people, society and not least the political elite wake up calls, current impulses to society, that actually hurt, so they are heard. call it attention-grabbing all you want, it's attention-grabbing for a good, greater cause. to save humanity from going down when our planet has become uninhabitable and a second version of Mars.