In the "Is Gameboy racist" thread. And Gameboy is being effortlessly schooled by Jacky!
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dbentley666 — 5 years ago(June 21, 2020 07:14 PM)
You don't seem to know what a typo is. Either that or you use language very loosely and imprecisely, which is even worse. Claiming genetic superiority is old-fashioned, scientifically discredited racism. Claiming cultural superiority is still racism, still discredited, but of slightly later vintage. So you moved from Hitler-type racism to Samuel Huntington-type racism. Not a particularly moral or admirable shift, but you want to claim the latter is somehow defensible.
Basically, you made two distinct mistakes. The first one was truly awful, and you back-pedalled frantically. The second one is slightly less awful.
I love existentialism, but I can think of a page full of problems with it. It's been massively attacked by feminists for celebrating a peculiarly male-heroic version of crises overcome. Almost an entire generation of French feminists would dismiss Sartrean existentialism as utter crap. I'm sympathetic to their position. -
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dbentley666 — 5 years ago(June 21, 2020 08:17 PM)
Nonsense! He had the largest public funeral any philosopher ever had (50, 000 people). He was probably the most important voice in philosophy for about half a century. He supported Marxism when it wasn't popular, he supported the Algerians though he received death threats from "good" Frenchmen for doing so, and he supported Fanon and fought against racism as no white philosopher has ever done. He was one of the greatest philosophers in the Western tradition. Ipse dixit.
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Sophievirus — 5 years ago(June 21, 2020 08:24 PM)
but in the end he admitted Marxism failed on record which ruined the entire Western Marxistsphere for years
i kinda dug Sartre in high school. then i've read Being and Time in uni and realised what a ****ing joke Sartre actually is.
then i realised later that he treated women very badly especially taking advantage of vulnerable young women who he’d take in in return for sexual favours. he and Beauvoir took pleasure in this abuse of other women together and wrote each other lots of letters about it. seriously nasty couple.
**** Sartre. **** Beauvoir. plus both are vacuous writers.
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dbentley666 — 5 years ago(June 21, 2020 09:21 PM)
So you read Heidegger (Being and Time) and realized that Sartre (Being and Nothingness) was a joke? But that's a typical "deep" philosophy Teutonic position. Heidegger is in some ways deeper, but as a social theorist he's terrible. It's all "go back to Greek Being and learn the terrible yet revelatory truth about existence." And it feeds quite clearly into Nazism. Sartre fought a good fight against psychoanalysis and he may have been the greatest white philosopher to write about race (actually none of the others did).
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Sophievirus — 5 years ago(June 21, 2020 10:19 PM)
Being and Time is a hard read and it was required reading for class, but what i took out of this was, he talks about here with how everything we perceive is filtered through our highly personal and subjective interpretation. as for the text, Heidegger coined a lot of neologisms and wrote in such a way that he was really pushing the limits of the German language in attempt to both draw out something important about its cultural history and to also try and explain what is rather unexplainable. so this "equipped" text is a very fascinating part of Heidegger's methods and that is the depth and complexity that Sartre's texts lack and i just don't enjoy reading him at all, anymore.
both were ****ty human beings tho and i'm not a fan of either really, but Heidegger's work is infinitely more substantial imo
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Platonic_Caveman — 5 years ago(June 21, 2020 08:18 PM)
Call it whatever you want. I have hundreds of ideas in my head. When I discuss the topics I recall the issue of genetic versus cultural superiority. I've never argued for the former.
Until you can show me the airplane and the computer were not invented in the West, no one can discredit the pro-Western position.
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dbentley666 — 5 years ago(June 21, 2020 08:20 PM)
Who cares about the airplane and the computer? Indians laid the foundation for all mathematics and the Chinese invented gunpowder (if you want to go on about silly stuff like that). This is undergrad level crap.
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Platonic_Caveman — 5 years ago(June 21, 2020 08:26 PM)
How is it silly? Not only airplanes and computers, but how about the whole of Western medicine and a cure for polio and small pox? Should we even mention democratic government and guaranteed individual rights? You talk about feminism. That's a Western ideology, my friend.
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dbentley666 — 5 years ago(June 21, 2020 09:24 PM)
Undergrad crap. From
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the Western tradition of course that sounds fantastic. As soon as you step outside, even in imagination, it looks quite different. The ancient Greeks thought democracy was the most inferior form of government, btw. What's so great about individual rights? They're the basis of ruthless selfishness and possessive individualism. Why shouldn't we celebrate communal rights? All of Europe did before the 17th century. -
Platonic_Caveman — 5 years ago(June 22, 2020 12:46 AM)
The cures for polio and small pox were discovered by an undergrad?
Was there a Chinese cure for polio and small pox we don't know about?
Dude, I'm not saying nothing of merit was done outside of Europe. I'm just saying the annals of human advancement in the West exceeds the rest of the world. And we've also accomplished more destruction as well. That's because what happens here has more impact.
You're really against individual rights?
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Cerridwen — 5 years ago(June 21, 2020 08:25 PM)
"You're bringing up ethical arguments why the West is not superior. I'm talking about technology, philosophy, literature. Again, the airplane is superior to a rickshaw. A computer is superior to an abacus. Existentialism is superior to Confucianism. What other culture even competes with Shakespeare? The West is superior. Sorry, that's the truth you cultural relativists can't prove wrong."
This portion of your argument irks me. Westerners didn't float feather-toed to the Earth one morning, the wings of Grecian gods carrying us like leaves upon the wind, clasping modern technology in our white-knuckled hands. All technology is a matter of progression. We build upon what already exists. There must be a rickshaw before there is an airplane. There must be an abacus before there is a computer. It is arrogant and foolish to discard the foundation for the peak.
I know a great many people who would argue that even among Westerners there are playwrights and poets who surpass Shakespeare in skill and wit. It's entirely a matter of taste.
As a literature major educated in the formation of cultural ideologies, and of personal identity as it exists within a particular culture, your routine dismissal of your own culture's influence on your perception of superiority is distressing.
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