don't understand the second-in-commands
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BigBabyDirtFace — 9 years ago(February 13, 2017 01:46 PM)
Richard is a good soldier which doesn't necessarily make him a better leader than King E.
My argument would be that Richard, since introduction, has realized that any deal with the saviors is a temporary bandaid that needs to be dealt with sooner rather than later. If Zeke can't see it, he's not as capable as Richard. -
d_dari — 9 years ago(February 13, 2017 02:01 PM)
Yes, but has Richard offered any viable strategy for defeating the Saviours? Ezekiel has kind of a truce with Negan, he holds up his end of the bargain and his people are safe for now. While Richard looks like a depressed guy who has nothing to lose and hence seems eager to go on a suicide mission.
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BigBabyDirtFace — 9 years ago(February 13, 2017 02:13 PM)
Yes, but has Richard offered any viable strategy for defeating the Saviours? Ezekiel has kind of a truce with Negan, he holds up his end of the bargain and his people are safe for now
Well, this was pretty much my original point. If Richard can see a problem that needs to be dealt with that the cosplayer can't see, then why in hell is he deferring to him? He seems 10x more alpha than EZ, he'd either take over or leave. Same with Jesus and same with Simon. For being more capable, they don't seem to be so beta as to accept a secondary role. -
d_dari — 9 years ago(February 13, 2017 02:31 PM)
I haven't yet seen evidence that Richard is a better leader than Ezekiel. I think Ezekiel sees the problem too but doesn't want to send his people on a suicide mission. He was talking about that in this episode, people losing lives, losing limbs etc.
And how was Richard going to defeat the Saviours? I haven't seen him leave and reach out to other communities in search of allies. How is he alpha?
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d_dari — 9 years ago(February 13, 2017 03:48 PM)
- Compared to Siegfried and Roy, Ezekiel isn't flamboyant at all;
- He's first and foremost a leader, and then a performer;
- you are forgetting about the context (Ezekiel didn't want to leave tiger in the cage, and probably didn't want to let it loose so that tiger wouldn't hurt people, that's how he ended up with a tiger.)
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BigBabyDirtFace — 9 years ago(February 13, 2017 03:58 PM)
- Compared to Siegfried and Roy, Ezekiel isn't flamboyant at all;
He carries a scepter, wears a cloak and speaks in olde English. He's
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flamboyant than Sigfried and Roy - He's first and foremost a leader, and then a performer;
No, he said himself he was first a performer. He got the "king" schtick from a part he had in a play.
Ezekiel didn't want to leave tiger in the cage, and probably didn't want to let it loose so that tiger wouldn't hurt people
And this makes him compassionate as well as flamboyant. You're describing a bleeding heart tree hugger, not an alpha.
- Compared to Siegfried and Roy, Ezekiel isn't flamboyant at all;
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d_dari — 9 years ago(February 13, 2017 11:40 PM)
Nobody is more flamboyant than Sigfried and Roy. It doesn't take that much effort to look past Ezekiel's royalty antics and see that he's pretty tough.
No, he said himself he was first a performer. He got the "king" schtick from a part he had in a play.
Again, he's a leader of a prospering community, and then a performer. Why do you judge people in ZA by our standards? Ezekiel offers his people an escapist fantasy since unlike us they don't have internet, videogames and tv anymore, possibly only a limited selection of DVDs and books if they are lucky.
I never said that Ezekiel is alpha. Alpha or not, a leader has to be a good strategic thinker and don't act on a whim like Richard who's oblivious to the fact that the Saviours outnumber and outweapon the Kingdom community.
You're describing a bleeding heart tree hugger, not an alpha.
Ezekiel was a zookeeper hence he's compassionate to animals. Again faulty comparison and disregard of context.
I know that you must be trolling because I don't see any other reason for you to ignore all previously established facts about this character.
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BigBabyDirtFace — 9 years ago(February 13, 2017 01:49 PM)
And while Jesus would certainly make a better leader than Gregory, he doesn't want to be that guy
Lol, no way. If you're in a car with a drunk driver that is risking your life, you say let me drive or let me out.