one thing i am against open door policy for inferior races
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spookyrat1 — 11 years ago(January 16, 2015 06:54 AM)
Because from my perspective
This would be the right-wing, apartheid apologist, Hitler was really misunderstood, perspective. Sure to be guaranteed a clearly thought view there.
black South Africans who try to justify their criminal wrongs in the present.
And there's a perfect example. It's all those troublesome black and coloured folk causing the problems.
Much of it in the last 50 years because of the economic powerhouse that Southern Africa was in the continent.
As I established in my previous post, the issue is that from time of settlement to the end of apartheid, the minority whites through political, legal, social, economic and military means established themselves as the haves, while the other races were subjugated to be the have nots.
They (the blacks) had to wait until white people were gullible enough to take down apartheid barriers and let the blacks work together with the whites.
Well yes, thanks for reinforcing my point. Suddenly the majority races have some sort of political and legal equality with the whites and you're still whining about it 20 years later.
BTW, I love your euphemism for apartheid
to regulate how society operates.
and to engender and extend white power over the other races.
Little wonder how in the movie the feature of apartheid was put in to protect society from being overrun and degraded.
Yes thanks again for making the point that we see a privileged minority in Elysium trying to hold sway over the socially and economically disadvantaged majority on Earth. Don't worry. We know what side you were rooting for.
Youtube some socioeconomic documentaries on that, if you are game.
I gather that's where you've received the majority of your education. And guess what? It does show.
Spend a week in South Africa, and see if you can get some of that culture into you. I doubt that you would survive a week, with your attitude.
How breathtakingly ignorant of you to assume I've never been there! If it was raining brains, you'd be tinder dry. -
WorldSacred — 11 years ago(January 22, 2015 04:07 AM)
So, what is it with you? You think right wing is bad. You can't see the merits of borders. You think Adolf Hitler was some guy who wanted the world to suffer. You really have no room in your life for a different perspective. Were you one of those students who went to an upper class private school system, where the teachers gave you hula-hoops to put around yourself and teach you the value of "personal space"? Seems like you are an apologist for anyone who has ever failed as a result of their own cultural inferiority.
In the second paragraph, you defend criminal black people on the basis that they are black and should be immune from prosecution. You then finish in the last paragraph saying/implying that you have been to South Africa. So, you want to defend black criminals because you have been exposed to their criminality. Either that, or you spent your time in some gated community in South Africa and have had no experience with what goes on in public there.
And you are hung up on the horrendous thought that white people are part of the "haves" and black people are part of the "have nots" for the people of South Africa. Do you know why? Because white people have economic systems set up so that if you work for earning, you tend to get rewarded for it. Amongst European people, we have the idea that we can save for later use and avoid waste. There's also the technological advantage of producing things for trade and the recycling plants and herding of animals for continued food production. Black people in South Africa didn't have this idea of settling in one place. They moved as the climate determined. And they planned no further than the foreseeable future. Why would they become part of the "haves" group, when they only had what they needed.
Over the few centuries of Southern African settlement, black people learnt that if they stuck close to the settlements, they could acquire more food. All that livestock and such those white people have could become there's without asking. Just a matter of when to raid those settlements. And as the black people came to become a segregated member of the sth African society, so too did their wealth increase something that they didn't have 500 years earlier. And when the Sth African government succumbed to international pressure, the barriers came down. And then things have gone to crap for anyone white. Little wonder 1 million of them have escaped Africa in the last 20 years.
I wonder what your life would be like if you had a regulated government that ensured electricity, water, and well maintained infrastructure? Then one day, a new government took over and discriminated against you based on your skin colour. New employees were hired based on ethnicity rather than merits. And then the infrastructure started to crumble because the employees had a "not my problem" attitude to work. Black outs; Unreliable fresh water supply; and the changing attitudes of police officers willing to let you die because some "native" decided that he didn't have to follow the law with his new freedoms, and he could treat you with barbarity with impunity. That's the reason why white South Africans are leaving and finding their own "Elysium" overseas.
With the Elysium analogy, the inhabitants of those stations have established a good standard of living to maintain, because they didn't want to be dragged down by the poor on Earth, who saw no responsibility in establishing higher standards of living for themselves. What you seem to miss is the fact that the Third World is the way they are because they live with corrupt rulers who only do things for their own benefit. There's no consideration for fixing up their own mess. They won't give women the right to choose how many children they have, or the rights to their own bodies. They won't build infrastructure based on needs. Or whatever infrastructure they have inherited has been laid to waste or underutilised. It's the reason why the leaders brazenly opt to blame former colonial powers for things happening 30 to 40 years earlier for what their people self inflict upon themselves today. It's also the reason why they pack up and move to first world countries, hoping that the first world has some infinite food and energy producing magical technology that stops all suffering. There's no reason why the movie "Elysium" the 'refugees' couldn't produce their own technology and fix their own problems, rather than running away from them, hoping that a minority of people will slave away for them. -
spookyrat1 — 11 years ago(January 23, 2015 08:33 PM)
So, what is it with you?
What's with me is that I find myself constantly amazed at the sheer blind ignorance of jokers like you who seriously ask me to consider whether or not Adolf Hitler was really some guy who wanted the world to suffer, whilst advising me that I should be thinking of other perspectives. LOL! No of course he didn't want the world to suffer whilst he committed genocide and invaded sovereign countries.
You really don't get it do you. You just don't understand that thankfully, most people don't think like you. You don't even understand that Elysium is a warning against policies such as apartheid. You instead see it as some kind of grateful paen to it.
You don't understand the irony involved when you complain
Then one day, a new government took over and discriminated against you based on your skin colour. New employees were hired based on ethnicity rather than merits.
You don't like the fact the new government brought in affirmative action policies designed to redress the many years of discrimination by the white minority government. Sucks doesn't it? Just doesn't seem fair.
There are reasons the world at large, doesn't celebrate a man at the centre of
a regime responsible for the genocide of at least 6 million Jews, and millions of other victims whom he and his followers deemed racially inferior, not to begin trying to count the costs of military, economic and social upheavals and losses to a string of countries. You don't get those reasons either.
You don't get that increasing local and international pressure on the governing National Party government, as well as the realisation that apartheid could neither be maintained by force forever nor overthrown by the opposition without considerable suffering, eventually led both sides to the negotiating table and the subsequent dismantling of apartheid. You just think you were stiffed.
You ask me do I have room in my life for a different perspective? I can categorically say, if I did World Sacred, it's not going to be any thing like yours. -
WorldSacred — 11 years ago(January 24, 2015 08:15 AM)
Here's where I stand: I come along to find a poster who claims that the movie Elysium was some left wing propaganda movie designed to take pity on refugees who have run away from their problems. I happened to agree. You come along and flat out spit with rage at my lack of a leftist bleeding heart and white guilt shame.
Then we look in to apartheid, which you inexplicably claim to be the epitome of evil and shouldn't have been implemented in the first place. Am I close on that assumption? Because there are holes in your argument so big that you could steer a ship through. So, I'll assume that you are old enough to have graduated high school, but not old enough to have earnt a pay cheque from a 40 hour a week job.
To begin your schooling, discrimination has played a part of human history since time immemorial. Every society has practiced it, and to varying degrees. And since you take discrimination so severely as an absolute sin, can I ask you if you believe national borders should be abolished, and everyone in the world can come and go as they pleased? I mean, Europe has a type of borderless geopolitical structure, but they still use borders. And if you can appreciate that the world can't do without borders, you have opened your credibility account with a registered score.
Now, imagine if you will that the apartheid system was set up to protect settlers from the few black people (which I assume numbered millions by your wailing cries of indignity) and be able to establish the strongest country in the African continent. When black people were able to mingle upon the white people, I don't know. But I have seen footage of the 1970s Johannesburg with black and white people mingling peacefully. So, more credibility to me that this apartheid topic is embellishing the problems black South Africans had in the 20th century.
It's been 20 years since I studied the apartheid, so I don't care about it too much to discuss further until I am caught up on some reading about such. But I have been reading the American War of Independence books, and it too has some parallels with the apartheid. The way the British funded their war efforts against France. The way that upper class and lower class societies anywhere didn't have different problems to face in combatting social ills. But I suppose you might entertain and counter with some crap about slavery funding the Americans, and such shhtuff. But it doesn't diminish the idea that conditions of 18th century America, Britain, and South African whites didn't have it easy like we do today. So, ya might as well sod off with the argument that "black South Africans didn't get rich because white people didn't share" crap that you have been ranting about for the past few weeks. White people weren't rich either!
I find myself constantly amazed at the sheer blind ignorance of jokers like you who seriously ask me to consider whether or not Adolf Hitler was really some guy who wanted the world to suffer, whilst advising me that I should be thinking of other perspectives. LOL! No of course he didn't want the world to suffer whilst he committed genocide and invaded sovereign countries.
Well, you're more naive than a 5 year old at a magic show. Let me guess, Hollywood gave you the idea that Hitler would froth at the mouth with rage at the sight of a Jewish person? That the war was fought over rescuing Jews from concentration camps? Forgive me for thinking this, but I had the researched impression that Hitler was all about rebuilding Germany after enduring a catastrophic war, and was motivated by the obligatory economic collapse of the late 1920s to make Germany a world power. His personal gritty determination having suffered poverty post war incited him to rebuild, regrow and rearm Germany, and to punish those he deemed responsible for the capitulation of Germany. And seeing that the numbers of Jewish people killed in concentration camps has been exaggerated, I doubt that you need to comment any further on this until you get your head straight. But, hey, Hitler wanted to extend his borders and take over the lives of neighbouring peoples. So, I guess he and you have something in common.
And thanks for pointing out that most people don't think like me. I would also assume that. I tend to be a genuinely pragmatic person. You have demonstrated that this is where we differ. You are emotionally driven.
I don't know where you get the idea that apartheid is warned against in Elysium. It was so pro-illegal immigration throughout the movie, that I have to wonder where your real life priorities lay. The people of Earth in this movie are so devoid of fixing their own problems, that they have to resort to running/flying space ships to people who work for their high standard of living and outer-space-gated communities. I doubt that the med bays and the parks and the infrastructure they use just sprung up out of nowhere. The residents of Earth didn't put their heads together and construct their own med bays -
spookyrat1 — 11 years ago(January 24, 2015 08:37 PM)
You come along and flat out spit with rage at my lack of a leftist bleeding heart and white guilt shame.
No I marvel at your casually racist stupidity which has rather almost wonderfully combined with an arrogant ignorance.
Let me guess, Hollywood gave you the idea that Hitler would froth at the mouth with rage at the sight of a Jewish person?
And seeing that the numbers of Jewish people killed in concentration camps has been exaggerated
But, hey, Hitler and you have something in common.
Enough said.
People like you don't hesitate to speak their minds because they have nothing to lose. -
kincaid-5 — 11 years ago(January 25, 2015 06:43 PM)
No, being a racist, like just being a pedophile, is not against the law. It's just evil. And in the States anyway, it's a very good way to lose your job.
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kincaid-5 — 11 years ago(January 28, 2015 06:39 PM)
I would hardly equate pedophilia and racism in terms of negative contexts.
I would.
Pedophiles are people who somehow got their wires crossed probably because someone messed with them when they were kids, which was not their fault and they now confuse normal affection for children with sexual desire. They didn't choose that, and we don't know how to cure them.
Racists want to keep other groups in subordination, and they cover up their vile selfishness with lies and rationalizations, contrary to all scientific evidence, that the other groups are inferior.
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WorldSacred — 11 years ago(January 29, 2015 09:09 PM)
Pedophiles are people who have sexual attraction to young children. It's likely that I can find pedophiles to have emotional problems that need addressing. I worked with a pederast, and his problem stemmed from the fact that he was abused emotionally by his father for coming out as gay. He takes homophobic comments much more seriously than any other homosexuals. And I had to learn the more difficult way of steering clear of his temper tantrums because it would lead to getting reported for false accusations. But I digress.
Straight pedophiles obviously have some kind of emotional need to be with people who can't fight back. They might have relationships with people around their age, but they have a preference to the more "naive" people. They may keep it secret. But sometimes these people are caught out leering on children for no reason other than sexual. It's the reason parents can't take pictures of their children at sporting events.
Racists believe in the idea that race determining the ability of a person. "Black people can run faster. White people can swim better. Asian people can't drive" type of thinking. You are probably referring to racial supremacists. Racists who believe in dominating or ruling over other races. -
kincaid-5 — 11 years ago(January 31, 2015 07:10 PM)
Oh I get it. You come to this thread offering extended defenses of apartheid, one of the most rigid systems of "racial supremac[y]" in history, but when challenged, you say that "racists" are just the knuckleheads who really believe nonsense like "White men can't jump," "Black people have rhythm," etc.
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WorldSacred — 11 years ago(February 01, 2015 06:11 AM)
I can't recall ever being in defense of apartheid. All I said in that regard to apartheid was that it happened, and people used it for a reason. I said it was for protecting the settlers, and the other doofus attacked me trying to reason a strawman argument that I thought it was a good thing. I don't care either way about it's use. But atleast I can understand why it was implemented.
And you seem to have this idea that the apartheid was implemented to reinforce the egos of white people. I dunno. Maybe you grew up in some ghetto, and you are lashing out incited by an inferiority complex that the white man do well by disciminatin'. Don't try and reason that I think that racists are all knuckleheads. Because racists make up about 100% of the world population. I bet you wouldn't admit it, but I believe you would have differing feelings seeing a room full of a homogeneous racial group, and a multiracial group. Or for that matter, the above vitriol of how you feel about white people.
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brianmacsmith — 11 years ago(November 20, 2014 12:30 AM)
Its actually really terrible left-wing propaganda.
In the horrendous final act, the last sliver of uncrowded, clean land is invaded by untold thousands, perhaps millions of people, who raid all the medical supplies. These supplies are sure to do little to make even a slight dent in Earth's problems. Essentially the ridiculously "happy" ending is actually the final nail in the coffin of the human race.
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ClintJCL — 11 years ago(January 12, 2015 06:16 PM)
And in your mind, having to pay for it the way it was before the movie started is somehow morally superior.
'Tis a shame we haven't fully evolved as a species yet, to the point where people actually want unnecessary strife to occur just for the principal of it.
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elipdx — 11 years ago(February 28, 2015 11:35 PM)
Interesting. I saw this film the day Leonard Nimoy died. I will counter your sad commentary with one the character Spock said as he selflessly gave his life. "The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the one."
This thread started with an ill thought, ideological, and sad one liner, and devolved into some commentators legitimizing apartheid and Hitler's Nazism. All to present themselves as "superior" to "others", and advocate for their chosen political party.
It is precisely this "us against them" attitude that propagates the premise of this and countless other films, let alone countless failed human societies. And on those grounds alone, Elysium effectively made it's point quite clear. -
glanemann — 11 years ago(March 20, 2015 11:40 AM)
Right. I was just sitting here watching this movie and it's flat out ridiculous that anyone would think this would actually happen. I'm sure the writers, Matt Damon and many others believe this is the kind of future we'd have with Capitalism. It's beep retarded to think that people would treat others like that.
From his evil bosses, evil corporate people, the rich keeping everything from the poor, robotic cops that illegally search you and beat you with sticks, and a robotic parole officer who doesn't give a beep about people and offers pills, med beds that can cure you of anything yet they won't let poor people use them, etc.
It's a leftist wet dream and they way of telling you that big government and wealth redistribution is how we need to live. Which is asinine to begin with. I fear a big government over Microsoft any day.
I guess the scary thing is that people actually believe this garbage.
