Two crew members killed
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margo3883 — 14 years ago(November 21, 2011 06:34 AM)
" Was it only black people that died"
Only?
My thougths exactly.Oh, and if you didn't notice, it's getting betterthe concern is not if any "white" died, yet precisely any " American"if American crew is safe, let ***** the others !
"It's over now, the music of the night!" -
tdippies — 14 years ago(February 22, 2012 12:06 PM)
Well firstly can I say that I live in South Africa and I've never experienced any sort of violence like that. The only crime that has affected me is small petty crime, which I'm pretty sure exists in the US as well..
Gerard Butler looks to me like one of those Americans that runs down the street and shouts "Africa is dangerous" . That article in which he was quoted is very biased. What the person a few messages earlier was trying to say is that obviously everyone on the crew isn't American. Tons of movies are shot in South Africa each year, and believe it or not we have our own film studios etc.
So what he was trying to say was maybe the 2 crew members are Africa (hence black), and living in the locations (squatter camps) can sometimes be dangerous (gang violence). Maybe the 2 crew members were in the wrong place at the wrong time. We don't have any facts, and as far as I could look that is about the only article that exists about these crew members supposedly dying.
What could've happened was they were on set and a set of lights fell on them.. and they died. "What I don't understand is how we're going to stay alive this winter." Well he made it back home safely.. didn't he. If it's so dangerous here, don't come back, or I will do the honours myself and throw him with a rock. -
jmoira-1 — 14 years ago(February 27, 2012 12:43 AM)
by tdippies 4 days ago (Wed Feb 22 2012 12:06:16)
Well firstly can I say that I live in South Africa and I've never experienced any sort of violence like that. The only crime that has affected me is small petty crime, which I'm pretty sure exists in the US as well..
Gerard Butler looks to me like one of those Americans that runs down the street and shouts "Africa is dangerous" . That article in which he was quoted is very biased.
Umm, HEY IDIOT -
Gerard Butler is Scottish.
Get your facts right before you start projecting your own racist bias. -
jayloveserin — 14 years ago(March 08, 2012 02:33 AM)
A guy I worked with was from South Africa and he has been carjacked TWICE and shot during the second. He has buckshot scars across his back and left South Africa as a result of his ordeal.
This guy is the only SA citizen I have got to know. I know a lot more americans however, so there is a personal comparison to be drawn from experience. I'm not saying SA is more dangerous than lets say Compton L.A. or wherever there are gangs on the streets, just offering another perspective from real life people I know.
If you go into urban areas that are rife with gun crime and violence then it's a given you may become a victim, regardless of geography. -
tdippies — 12 years ago(February 05, 2014 08:06 AM)
Obviously there are areas that have more crime than others. The area you live in, and the amount of security you have (alarm system etc.) will also determine how much you are a victim of crime.
I've lived in South Africa for 21 years and I've never been carjacked, my car has never been stolen, and I've never been a hostage or have been in a violent confrontation. The only crime that I've been a victim of was theft, someone stole my cell phone and my motorcycle helmet. That's about it.
Now that obviously doesn't mean that there is no violent crime whatsoever. A friend of mine had his house broken into twice. Some people are just unfortunate and are victims of crime, where others never even experience it at all.
And yes sorry, Gerard Butler is Scottish and not American, but he's still very biased (based off of that article I read and if those quotes were actually accurate). -
Koko_BG — 14 years ago(March 23, 2012 06:55 PM)
Who are you trying to fool? You prolly live in some rich suburb, gated estate or you have turned your house into a fortress and pretend "RSA is not dangerous" or you're just ignorant enough about the rest of the country. Maybe you were high on Tik while typing this BS.
And claiming that Gerard Butler (who is scottish and btw has an accent which is not american) is 'one of those Americans that runs down the street and shouts "Africa is dangerous"' simply because he briefly mentions what has happened to his co-workers is beyond stupid. You gain more stupidity points with the suggestion that "they were on set and a set of lights fell on them.. and they died".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_South_Africa
Crime is a prominent issue in South Africa. South Africa has an extraordinarily high rate of murders, assaults, rapes (adult, child and infant), and other crimes compared to most countries.
RSA is now #10 in the world for Intentional homicide rate per 100,000 citizens. Between 1994 and 2009, the murder rate reduced by 50% to 34 murders per 100,000 people.
Rape capital of the world: More than 25 per cent of South African men questioned in a survey published by the Medical Research Council (MRC) in June 2009 admitted to rape; of those, nearly half said they had raped more than one person.
South Africa also has a high record of car hijackings when compared with industrialised countries, typically characterised by a lower rate of car ownership. A South African insurance company, Hollard Insurance, stated in 2007 that they would no longer insure Volkswagen Citi Golfs manufactured in the previous two years as they were one of the most frequently hijacked vehicles in South Africa. Certain high-risk areas are marked with road signs indicating a high incidence of car hi-jackings within the locality.
Since apartheid rule ended in 1994 and Nelson Mandela and the ANC were voted into government, over 3000 White farmers have been murdered on their farms.
One incident involved a farmer being stabbed 151 times using various weapons such as a garden fork, panga, shovel, sharp knife and a brick. -
tdippies — 12 years ago(February 05, 2014 08:11 AM)
First off, I live in a pretty crap house in a crap neighborhood. My house doesn't even have an alarm system, we have 3 dogs that's it. I don't live in a gated community or in a fortress.
Secondly I never disputed that there were NO crime in South Africa. Obviously there are a lot of crime here, but anywhere in the world you will find crime happening. You really don't have to start giving my statistics from wikipedia (which is also laughable) because I live in South Africa, I see what is going on.
My problem with that article was it made it seem as if everyone here is a victim of crime and he will never get back home because he will die here in SA.
"We filmed in South Africa not the Sudan, which isn't safe. Two of our people died there while filming." - The entire article is biased and wants to create the impression that if you come to South Africa you will die when in fact the two crew members died in a car crash (that happens all over the world, you know).
Please, don't attack me and put words in my mouth. -
Mikethelegacy — 13 years ago(April 29, 2012 10:15 AM)
I know a guy from South Africa that left for the very reason of violence.
I live in Pittsburgh and also found it funny to hear him say this when asked why he turned down a job in Philadelphia:
"I left South Africa because I was tired of worrying about being shot at, why would I move to the US and worry about the same thing."
God I love that.
He is a white South African and lived in a nice town and went to University. It is STILL worse than any area in the United States. I'm not trying to knock on your country, because it's very beautiful from what I've seen, but you can't just ignore the violence that goes on. I'm the first to say that if Philadelphia and East LA were wiped off the map, America would be a better place
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tdippies — 12 years ago(February 05, 2014 08:16 AM)
It's up to the individual. I know people who would never in a million years want to move to the US every year a bunch of schools have gunmen shooting at children and you have airplanes flying into towers if you want to compare countries, do it properly and don't ignore the shortcomings of your own country.
South Africa has crime, a lot of it, yes. So does a bunch of other countries. We don't have busses blowing up in the street, we have carjackings and we have armed robberies. Tit-for-tat.
If you think South Africa is 'dangerous', wait till you go to a North African country. There's a reason why they didn't film this movie in Sudan where the story actually takes place, so let us all not forget that. They came to the safest country in Africa. Maybe it's not the safest country in the world, but compared to other African countries we South Africans are very lucky. (And Hollywood since they have an African country where they can film in without getting their heads chopped off on CNN). -
alan_cx — 14 years ago(February 27, 2012 03:00 AM)
Black people dying is less news worthy than while people dying to western news organisations.
Cant remember where, its was years ago, but I saw a table which showed the news value of death. So, from a UK perspective something like, 1 Brit death = 3 US deaths = 10 European deaths = 50 Indian deaths = 1000 African deaths. It was even said that 1 UK white death was more news worthy than 1 UK black death. Obviously all that changes depending on the home market. Sick, I know, but is does make some sort of warped sense if you are in the business of selling news. (What am I saying? We all now know how the likes of News International act, so this should be no real surprise, right?)
If one wants to be kind, then I guess the reason the OP bought up race is because he/she might have felt that the deaths on this shoot might have not been widely reported because the victims were black and perhaps not American. -
the-infamia — 14 years ago(February 27, 2012 09:47 AM)
Pretending to care about african(s) is nothing more than a hip fad. This thread had few honest answer and could persons pretending to be insulted because they think thats politecaly correct thing to do and few hurt by proxy they have nothing in common with.
I dont understand why News International had to be drawn in to this. Is it Murdochs fault that no-one cares about africans?
Pile of bodies in some dark jungle is kinda like yuck but one dead american is a call for war, from any westerns point of view. -
fox-fairandbalanced-news — 14 years ago(February 27, 2012 03:52 PM)
"Pile of bodies in some dark jungle is kinda like yuck but one dead american is a call for war, from any westerns point of view."
umm no? honestly i am american and i have to totally disagree with that. it's not based n any PC bull, i honestly do not feel much compassion for my fellow americans. we are fat, loud, obnoxious, self serving, greedy xionist beep and i feel much worse about the state of children's lives in africa than anything any single american has to deal with.
and news international and murdoch are associated because they make money from death and destruction, with no moral qualms about doing so. they make money off of human misery, don't even practice actual journalism, and somehow they are just absent from the situation? NO. their proopaganda is what drives american isolationism, and the feeling that we are better than anyone else.
"best country in the world? really? that's like being the prettiest Denny's waitress. that may be true but you still have a long way to go to be considered any good." -
redfern1985 — 14 years ago(February 28, 2012 06:34 AM)
America the best country in the world? lol. How can you be the best country in the world when you don't even have free health care? A pretty basic human right that many other countries provide. I wouldn't even put America in the top 5 countries I'd want to live in and I've lived there. I'd rather live in Australia, New Zealand and a handful of European countries who all furnish their citizens with health care, a better standard of living, whose crime rates are significantly less and who don't brainwash their citizens with a false sense of entitlement and arrogance based on their nationality. The only people who think America is the best country to live in is Americans and that's because they've never bothered to travel anywhere else based on an ignorance that no matter where they go it could never possibly be as good as America. Thus the scope of their opinion is very limited.
America the best country in the world? Yeah? Based on what?