Did this bother anyone else?
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Archived from the IMDb Discussion Forums — End of Watch
the_bigkahuna — 13 years ago(September 29, 2012 08:39 PM)
So they're trying to escape an apartment complex surrounded by gun toting gang members, they kill one and don't pick up his ak?! They have semi-auto pistols and they don't take the assault rifle? May have come in handy for the gun battle in the alley. Liked the movie a lot but this bothered me a little.
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jamasian_man — 13 years ago(September 29, 2012 11:04 PM)
It wouldn
t help to pick up an AK-47 if you dont know how to use it. They are trained with police issued glocks and practice with those. If you don`t know how to handle and shoot an AK-47, leave it on the ground. -
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powerslave06 — 12 years ago(March 09, 2014 12:42 PM)
It's an AK. Those things are the best designed assault rifles out there who's main purpose was simplicity. Children can use them and often do in many places in the world.
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Emanwoot — 13 years ago(October 01, 2012 03:31 AM)
Umm what?
Ak-47s are notorious for being easy to use best weapon for anyone of age, organization.
There are plenty of documentaries on this on youtube. Plus, they most likely have trained to use assult rifles, im sure ak would be no different other than the recoils.
I mean honestly, those thugs were using it, give it to a cop who understands not to hold down the trigger to spray and pray it would of been very very useful for the police. -
externaltestaccount — 13 years ago(October 03, 2012 09:52 AM)
AK-47's are notorious for their crap aiming. Sniper rifles these are not. The movie actually comments on this. During Big Evil's two relatively prolonged gun attacks in the movie, there is a low body count considering the amount of ammo used. As for the scene, I thought they should have exited where they entered so as to get to their squad car quicker. But being an armchair cop is easier than the real thing
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RodneyAnonymous — 13 years ago(December 08, 2012 11:41 PM)
From a post later in this thread that is a reply to a different post, but you will get the gist
- The AK is very simple to employ. If you are familiar with the AR series of rifles (as any former Marine would be), you could figure out an AK in five seconds, even if you had never held one before. It is likely that - as a "modern" Marine, the character would have had familiarization training with the AK. He may not be an "expert" with it, but he almost certainly could have put it into operation. Also, it can be operated with one hand, though certainly not as effectively.
- So, it COULD have had two rounds in it. It COULD have had 30. The advantages of an AK over a pistol are so massive that it's worth the gamble. At worst, you get a few shots off with the much, much superior weapon, and then transition back to your sidearm.
- This is incorrect. When the SWAT team shows up, what are they armed with? Rifles. Are they performing a different CQB than everyone else? No. The fact is that ALL units who do CQB for a living use rifles as their primary weapons, and pistols as SECONDARY weapons. Anyone who knows anything about this would always take a rifle over a pistol, period. As to the light: It would have been handy, sure. Fortunately, mounted lights can be DIS-mounted, and used as a normal flashlight. This is assuming that he didn't have a normal flashlight on hand, which is a BIG assumption, because a hand held light is standard gear for every patrol officer in the world.
- Again, this is incorrect. A rifle carried in a good "high ready" is just as fast, if not faster, than a pistol. And the normal firing stance taught in all police academies uses two hands, so he's going to be out of his "comfort zone" in any case. Again, it simply boils down to the fact that the rifle is simply SO much better than the pistol, that any negatives are far outweighed by the positives
So, we can see that - in a perfect world - picking up the AK is absolutely the "right" thing to do. Is it a "flaw" in the movie? No, not necessarily. People do the "wrong" thing all the time, every day, under all sorts of circumstances. Expecting this character to do the "right" thing while under incredible duress is what is truly unrealistic.
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cleft_asunder — 13 years ago(January 21, 2013 12:24 PM)
Rodney is correct on all points. This movie was very realistic, but the most unrealistic parts where the gang-banger mass shooting scenes. When the black people were having a bar-b-q, they were being shot at within 20 yards. An AK, in full-auto, is very effective within 50 yards. Even the most inexperienced shooter will get many injuries and casualties within 20 yards. In semi-auto mode, you can hit a man-sized target at 300 yards. Those people should have all been dead.
The apartment scene was the same. You had 4 (?) gangsters with ak's shooting 10 yards in front of them on two cops that are fully exposed. It would have been impossible to miss.
Before they fell into the ambush, they should have been suspicious of the van with black tinting. Running the red light while a cop is behind you is a red flag. The guy running out into the complex. No way would the cops be that stupid. And why didn't they grab the shotgun?
On the plus side, they filmed the Glocks in first person view, and I was so impressed with how realistic it felt.
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activexcode — 13 years ago(January 27, 2013 02:07 PM)
Cleft mentioned:
"The apartment scene was the same. You had 4 (?) gangsters with ak's shooting 10 yards in front of them on two cops that are fully exposed. It would have been impossible to miss."
I know, right? Either the Curbside Gang was the Mexican version of the "Gang Who Couldn't Shoot Straight" or there was an invisible force field protecting Taylor and Zavala. How they didn't get "lit up" with bullets as they ran across the complex, in direct line of the bullets, is beyond me. And in the alley, how they hell did Taylor not get killed, while his partner was being lit up by the gang? The movie should've ended with BOTH cops dying, not just Zavala.
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sillyrabbi — 13 years ago(March 28, 2013 02:07 AM)
"Rodney is correct on all points. This movie was very realistic, but the most unrealistic parts where the gang-banger mass shooting scenes. When the black people were having a bar-b-q, they were being shot at within 20 yards. An AK, in full-auto, is very effective within 50 yards. Even the most inexperienced shooter will get many injuries and casualties within 20 yards. In semi-auto mode, you can hit a man-sized target at 300 yards. Those people should have all been dead." Best comment on this thread! The point here is that neither of the main players would have been able to pick up the AK or not because they would have been dead, period!
I don't care how many people on here talk about the inaccuracy of an AK. You can say it all day and it won't change the fact that neither cop would have made it out of the kill zone.
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KittyKat214 — 12 years ago(April 09, 2013 12:10 PM)
WOULD YOU PEOPLE JUST SHUT THE HELL UP AND STOP ANALYZING THE FILM!?
Here's the real reason why so you all would stop bickering like a typical Arm Chair General moron:
Jake was shot in the hand, Pena was in shock. Both of them are more worried about finding a way out of the building rather than concerning about an AK on the floor. They didn't care what type of weapon was on the floor, THEY JUST WANTED TO FIND A WAY OUT OF THERE BEFORE THE GANG MEMBERS GOT TO THEM!
It has nothing to do with whether or not they are trained with an AK. Whether if they were in the military. Whether the AK is accurate. Whether the firepower from a 7.62 would go through building or any of that bullsh!t. This isn't Call of Duty you assho!e, considering the fact that they're already armed, it wouldn't have been the first thing on their mind.
Those two Police Officers barely manage to escape from a room with the panicked woman after ducking for cover from the leads being sprayed by the gangs, they have other things on their mind rather than fancying themselves over the weapon on the floor from the guy they just shot.
Simple freaking plot, and you people are making a big deal out of it. Jesus.