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SapphEyeR — 11 years ago(May 04, 2014 07:22 PM)
An episode of "Dog Whisperer" made me really appreciate Cesar Millan's sense of perspective, refreshing among animal lovers.
He treated a problem Chihuahua owned by a single mother and her 15-year-old son. The dog was the apple of the mother's eye and she was softhearted. The dog was hostile to the son out of jealousy and often bit him. The woman then weakly scolded the dog but usually took it up in her arms.
When Millan saw this, he roundly chastised her. I paraphrase, but he said something like, "Are you nuts, why are you letting the dog bite your son?"
"I love dogs, but no dog takes precedence over my kids".
Millan has two sons, they were seen helping him train dogs on one of his shows when they were still young children.
He also has several dogs of his own. One can infer from what he says that he loves his dogs but does not value his dogs over his kids. He is a sane human being. One can be an animal lover and be sane as well. -
SkeksisGirl — 11 years ago(May 07, 2014 12:27 PM)
You want to give us more information without insulting us or the people asking Jackson for help?
Cause right now all I see is someone that has no compassion towards animals at all.
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SkeksisGirl — 11 years ago(May 07, 2014 04:55 PM)
If it isn't the cat with the PTSD then which cat is it? Cause aside from that cat not many other episodes had a seven year old kid with a cat hiding under his bed.
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SkeksisGirl — 11 years ago(May 07, 2014 05:36 PM)
It matters because without context of what is going on we don't know if the woman is a bad mother, or if you're just blowing things out of proportion. I think it's the latter since I SAW the episode with the cat with the PTSD and there was a very good reason for the cat being aggressive and the kid was more worried for the cat than of the cat and the mother did whatever she could to keep both child and cat safe.
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SapphEyeR — 11 years ago(May 07, 2014 07:59 PM)
The kid looked more afraid of the cat than for the cat, although the mother tried to pretend otherwise and enlist some sort of help from him. If he's frightened and is being bitten, then it's her duty to protect him. He's her child.
You say the child had traumatized the cat, which I didn't see. (Which episode was it?) If so, of course that's a bad thing. I know some kids aren't angels. The boy should be seriously taught not to do that. But don't "teach" him by letting the cat traumatize him in turn. That is cruelty against children. At least let the kid have his bedroom to himself so he can feel secure. Find another punishment if it's necessary.
If the kid was cruel, the fact remains that he is only seven years old. The mother is an adult. What is the excuse for her cruelty? -
SkeksisGirl — 11 years ago(May 07, 2014 08:12 PM)
So the episode you were bitching about IS the one with the cat with PTSD who was practically blind.
Then why did you tell the other person it wasn't THAT episode, which is season 3 episode 2, My Cat or My Family.
From what Chris, the son told Jackson, he was playing with the dog, then went to pet the cat. Jackson guessed that something happened to startle the cat and it went downhill from there. Chris wasn't trying to hurt the cat, but Xena was mostly blind and whatever happened severely traumatized the cat.
The problem with Xena was that she had PTSD and was blind. So the cat wasn't aggressive because she was pissed, she was scared. She lashed out because she couldn't see and Xena was also at times unable to even be held or taken from under the bed.
Chris wasn't being punished, the cat was trying to hide. Watch the episode again and focus on the cat AND the fact that Jackson was the one that put Chris in charge of play and helping Xena.
What you are claiming is abuse and cruelty to the child is nothing of the sort.
"Slice, Pull, Staple, its a boy!" - Maul57
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SapphEyeR — 11 years ago(May 07, 2014 08:35 PM)
So the episode you were bitching about IS the one with the cat with PTSD who was practically blind.
First of all, are we going to be snide with each other?
I have no idea if we are talking about the same episode. In my episode I thought the cat's name ended in -y. Itchy or Scratchy or something. That must mean I am making it all up just to tease people here, huh?
It doesn't matter whether the cat is traumatized and scared itself. What matters is, it's attacking the woman's kid. That's all that matters. She should protect the kid by keeping the cat out of the kid's bedroom. What is not clear about this? -
SkeksisGirl — 11 years ago(May 07, 2014 08:50 PM)
Well, until you give us more details about the episode the rest of us can't figure out any more. So why not start finding more details.
As for the protecting the kid, the woman was trying protect both the cat and her son. Having dealt with dogs, cats, ferrets, birds, horses, dolphins, wolfdogs, rodents, and lizards I have a greater appreciation towards Animals than you obviously do. I've seen you attack people all over this board for having a greater affinity towards animals than humans.
Xena was attacking Chris because Xena was scared. I've had my cat swat at me and my mom when we pass certain places, that's what Jackson calls play aggression, as in he's playing with us. I've also seen my sister's kids hurt my bird and dog (may she rest in peace) and told my sister if her kids don't stop hurting my dog then I'm going to defend my dog.
Chris' mother wanted to get Xena out from under the bed but sometimes it happens. Unless they kept Xena boxed up in one room, or kept Chris' room closed at all times, Xena was going to get in there, and sometimes it happens.
Chris' mother isn't abusive towards her son or the cat. You on the other hand have major issues with people having as much or more empathy towards animals than humans. You need to check yourself because you're reading the situation wrong.
"Slice, Pull, Staple, its a boy!" - Maul57
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SapphEyeR — 11 years ago(May 08, 2014 08:09 PM)
My, what a jumble of points you have made. Just like businessnunya. I didn't bother answering her because I didn't want to bother.
I have a greater appreciation towards Animals than you obviously do
You don't know anything about me. For one thing, I volunteer at a sanctuary for rehabilitated wild birds. I know what it is to love an animal. You grow fond of certain ones, like the resident crows, which incidentally scientists think are smarter than cats and dogs. They are known to make tools.
I would miss the crows and their antics if I had to stop going there. But I would get over it. And I could find new birds. My life doesn't revolve around them.
I consider myself an environmentalist, but that is more about preserving the state of nature, entire species as opposed to fussing over individual animals.
Pets are domesticated wild animals. Created by man for man. Your pet cat wouldn't exist otherwise, it would be out in the wild and shy away from people. -
SapphEyeR — 11 years ago(May 08, 2014 08:11 PM)
My, what a jumble of points you have made. Just like businessnunya. I didn't bother answering her post because I didn't want to bother untangling it.
First of all:
I have a greater appreciation towards Animals than you obviously do
You don't know anything about me. For one thing, I volunteer at a sanctuary for rehabilitated wild birds. I know what it is to love an animal. You grow fond of certain ones, like the resident crows, which incidentally scientists think are smarter than cats and dogs. They are known to make tools.
I would miss the crows and their antics if I had to stop going there. But I would get over it. And I could find new birds. My life doesn't revolve around them.
I consider myself an environmentalist, but that is more about preserving the state of nature, saving entire species as opposed to fussing over individual animals.
Pets are domesticated (formerly wild) animals. Created by man for man. Your pet cat wouldn't exist otherwise, it would be out in the wild in some other form and shy away from you. -
SkeksisGirl — 11 years ago(May 08, 2014 09:02 PM)
My, what a jumble of points you have made. Just like businessnunya. I didn't bother answering her post because I didn't want to bother untangling it.
Translation: You don't have a good enough argument to counter the points.
You don't know anything about me.
I know what I see, and what I see is a person who feels that Humans are better than animals and anyone that has an ounce of caring towards Animals is stupid and worthy of insulting. Bravo, you keep showing the world why animals are better than humans.
For one thing, I volunteer at a sanctuary for rehabilitated wild birds. I know what it is to love an animal. You grow fond of certain ones, like the resident crows, which incidentally scientists think are smarter than cats and dogs. They are known to make tools.
And yet, here you are treating Animals as lesser beings, showing that you pretty much don't care about Animals at all.
For the record, I have an 11 year old Cockatiel who I rescued. Also both my cats are rescue cats and I have worked with a lot of different animals over the years. I don't treat them like they are lesser beings like you do. It's called compassion and empathy. Get some.
I would miss the crows and their antics if I had to stop going there. But I would get over it. And I could find new birds. My life doesn't revolve around them.
No, your life seems to revolve around yourself and your ego. Once again, compassion and empathy. Get some.
I consider myself an environmentalist, but that is more about preserving the state of nature, saving entire species as opposed to fussing over individual animals.
Translation: I don't have a pet or if I do have pets, I suck as a pet guardian because I don't care for them as much as I do "the big picture" where I don't have to put much personal effort into it.
Pets are domesticated (formerly wild) animals. Created by man for man. Your pet cat wouldn't exist otherwise, it would be out in the wild in some other form and shy away from you.
I know the difference between a Wild Animal and a domesticated pet, TYVM. And unlike you, I still treat both wild and domesticated with respect, empathy, and compassion.
So while you still act like you're better than everyone on here you really do need to get over yourself, you're nothing special and have pretty much proven that my domesticated pets are far better companions than you ever will be.
Bye now.
"Slice, Pull, Staple, its a boy!" - Maul57
I can handle the whatever!