Even if he is 17, which many of those things point to - he's not going to adult prison. That's only for 18 and above. He
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PeterMarkoff — 9 years ago(October 28, 2016 02:19 PM)
i still don't get why he should lose his children because of cheating, yes he will see them less after divorce, but not really losing them or did i miss something why he agreed with this blackmail and rather participated in robbery?
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xrikou — 9 years ago(October 22, 2016 05:45 PM)
How are you not supposed to feel sorry for the characters? For being so terminally 'judged' by hacker vigilantes? This is what we have laws and courts for. Kenny isn't given a chance to 'fix' his life. He'll be charged with robbery and murder, on top of whatever charges he'll get for watching child porn. He was judged a rotten apple from the hacker/s and just got his life ruined forever.
Perhaps it was the show's intention to make us understand that demonizing anyone and creating in our minds the concept of the two-dimensional evil, sex offender is wrong. I know that the severity of the crime is a red line for a lot of people but this idea is what this episode wants to challenge. Just like the White Bear episode. Is any person worthy of such an intense punishment, one that legal systems today do not give? Did everyone really just sigh in relief at the end saying 'oooooh, thank God, he's just a sick pervert, yeah he got what he deserved'? I don't think so.
And again, just like in 'White Bear' and based on the fact that the hackers targeted the married man for a severely lighter 'transgression' (adultery), I think they're doing it for the sake of trolling. For sick pleasure. Does the viewer really identify with that? -
lone-foxx — 9 years ago(October 22, 2016 11:09 PM)
Those laws and courts are there to service to rich and oppress the poor. How do they serve me? I have many examples, when I was five a man attempted to kill me by suffocation, this was after I saw him kick his pregnant girlfriend down the stairs to kill his unborn child. He tried the same thing with my mother and I got involved, he tried to kill me with a pillow over my facekeep in mind we paid to stay there at this run down old mansion in Santa Barbara. The police refused to do anything, they said, and I quote, "we were just a bunch of junkies". I was five, but I was poor, so thats how much I mattered. Thats how much that baby mattered, thats how much my unborn sister matter, my mother, that poor woman who lost her babyshe was really kind to me, gave me my first action figure. Your laws, your justice, your courts, its all BS.
I saw a person shoot another person twice, so I told my mom and we reported it. The cops refused to look where I said it happened and harassed me (then about seven years old) telling me not to lie to police and make up stories.
Later in Jr High some G13 (Mexican gang) started messing with my friends at school, every week there was a gun or bomb threat. Teachers hid, hell one day our sub spent most of class under a desk hiding from gunshotsso they attacked my friend and I got involved just by pointing out what had happened, a huge ordeal. They tracked me down to my house and set my friend on fire on the bus, I saw him burning alive. Cops didn't give a damn. No-one ever got in any trouble.
That was all in California, where I also had a cop plant drugs on me on the freeway, then take us on a high speed chaseour car was broken down, we'd done nothing wrong. Another time my car was vandalized, I reported it, nothing. I went to fix my car, in the parking lot of Wal-Mart my rear-view mirror fell off in my hand, so I was headed to the bank to get money to go across the street to get a new mirror. A cop car shows up and follows me for a few miles, follows me into the bank parking lot and then turns on the lights. Tells me not to resist and that I need to calm down. Sez my shaking is proof that I am high on drugs, I cannot help shaking I explain, I have a disability caused by spinal meningitis. He sez I am lying and that the baseball bat in my backseat is a weapon and why do I have it? He claims that for these reasons he should arrest me, so I'm lucky he's only giving me a ticket, for my car, that was vandalized.
So I go in to pay the traffic ticket he gave me, I ask the woman at the front desk which courtroom I should go into and she tells me. The bailiff won't let me in, sez I'm late (was right there at the time they specified, I even double checked so as not to be late) and that I'm causing a problem for court proceedings, she sez she will not let me inI'm like, "but I will get into trouble for not showing up", to which she responds, "Thats right, you'll get a bench warrant", at which point I'm like screw it, "Fine, I'm leaving, if I cannot go in whats the point, this is not fair, or legal, and this is why I hate America". I was arrested on the spot. I was taken down to the station, my clothes were stripped, and I was beaten, my money was gone from my wallet when I was finally released. They mocked my last name, its Armenianand my nose (its kind of Eastern-European looking), and the whole time they were beating me they were telling me to respect woman, officers, and the law you love so much. Now apparently the receptionist described me as a tall, dark, and intimidating male who accosted her by saying, "Hey, you bi-atch, where is the motherf-ing judge" or some such nonsense. I have no problem with cursing but I am not stupid, thats not how you talk to anyone, especially not when you need their help.
Quotas, not people; numbers & money.
I was fired from my job when they heard about it, they said my shaking was an obvious sign I was on drugs, just as the cops had saidI was fired for being disabled. I tried to fight it. But I saw America for what it really is; the rich win every time. No lawyer would take my casewhy? I said I was innocent, they said I was guiltyI've always tried to be a good and moral person, sure I don't agree with many of the laws but I respect my fellow humans and animals. It didn't matter, nothing I did mattered, they took everything. I would have done better in life if I had known just how stacked reality is against the small guy. What have these laws done for me? They oppress me, they beat me, they ignore me when I need help, and they exploit everything I have, what little I did have.
At the same time my landlord was being a slumlord, the roof fell in on another friend's head, I pointed this out and nothing was done, this was during Winter. I sat there watching all my money go up into the air; heating the outside world. So I called around to find out my legal options as a tenant, then I sent him a letter he had to sign for stating that I would not pay any further rent unti -
Orlando_Gardner — 9 years ago(October 24, 2016 07:50 AM)
That's the whole point of the build up and reveal. Brooker did the same with "White Bear". It's a commentary on how both the media portray these "monsters" and we, the public perceive them. Here Brooker makes us see a person first,
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a pedophile second. And it's not to our liking. Actually it's a long running theme from Brooker. Have you seen Brass Eye's "Paedogeddon" episode, which Brooker helped pen? -
Paynebyname — 9 years ago(October 24, 2016 08:17 AM)
I never got the impression that the main guy was a Paedo. Releasing a video of him jerking off wouldn't show what stimulus material he was watching and hence I got the feeling that the 'looking at kids' was something that the 'controllers' would have added on to make his shame even greater.
In my mind, he was simply whacking off to some porn but they fed on his insecurities and shame to carry out acts that were far more serious than the trivial (but potentially embarrassing) thing that he had done.
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Paynebyname — 9 years ago(October 24, 2016 09:04 AM)
No, I did hear his mom talking about it but just thought it was the 'controllers' adding another layer of cruelty.
However, I concede that given the twists that the show likes to put in, and other people's observations, that he was a paedo.
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Orlando_Gardner — 9 years ago(October 24, 2016 10:04 AM)
Oh he definitely was. It puts the scene with the little girl earlier into a completely different context. I do love how (if you watch it again) its continuously hinted that its more than just flicking one out in front of the camera that's got Kenny rattled. He keeps on saying "it was only some pictures" and when the guy he has to fight mentions "How old were they? Young?" Kenny pulls the gun out to shoot himself. It's brilliantly written. I felt the ending as a punch in the gut but then realised Kenny had been telling us all along.
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The-Last-Prydonian — 9 years ago(November 01, 2016 07:14 PM)
While overall, I enjoyed the episode and at first I thought it fell short of the mark as I was left a bit confused about what moralistic and satirical message it was attempting to make. After pondering on it, it finally came to me. It's a cautionary tale about not exploiting the internet for your own immoral and selfish means. Let's face it, there's plenty of it going about. Ultimately it's a tool like any other and with any it can be abused. Excellent episode although not entirely original although none the less relevant. Also, the way it pulled the wool over our eyes in terms of where I sympathies should lie and who we were supposed to root for reminded me of
White Bear
.
It's also reminiscent of
The National Anthem
as I see a couple of similar parallels. It has a more contemporary setting that exists within reality and there's the whole angle of someone being coerced in to doing something against their will.