My problem with White Christmas (spoilers)
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moonmansion — 10 years ago(January 12, 2016 04:04 AM)
- I agree that children learn quickly about technology, but that comes with their environment. I think we were expected to make assumptions of the situation as an audience. At least that's what I did to make the story work, I assumed the grandfather was likely a luddite or anti-technology or just generationally looped out with no extended family living remotely, in a cabin-like home, using "outdated" technology like that classic clock and oven, etc. So now with Beth the mother dead and having no other family members, the little girl will only learn from Grandpa luddite and his "old fashion" ways.
- I also did imagine perhaps that the technology was economically (also possibly generationally) separated where the tech is available / accessible to some as shown by the example of the cookie patient Greta with her luxurious life and tech filled apartment who can afford to have a day scheduled with brunches, hair appointments, and opera shows. Whereas, perhaps both Beth and Joe were just "middle class" as they still lived in an apartment where they have "regular" trashcans with bags that make a mess and 2015 pregnancy tests though, we could also consider that this future isn't too far off from a time when we used "regular" trashcans even though Greta at age 29 is assumed by Jon Hamm's character to not know what a photocopier is when he appears to be only 15 to 20 years older.
- The "implant eye (aka facebook behind your eyes)" seem to be a standard for all the characters, but could be limited to a certain age group and likely that Grandpa was here way before people started getting their eyes implanted with tech. That would be a point of interest for me, wondering how death worked with the implant seeing as how Beth's block on Joe "died with her" and so on.. Would Grandpa's death be auto reported if he had an "eye plant (aka facebook behind your eyes)"? Even in our reality, now in 2016 some elders do opt to not use social media or smart phones
= i was really bothered with the trashcan bag and pregnancy tester
tl;dr
we are to assume and ponder possibilities anyway with a show like black mirror because we just don't know with technology / sci-fi
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groovy_mann — 10 years ago(January 08, 2016 11:46 PM)
I completely missed this, but here's my take:
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Only towards the end do we realize that Potter is in a virtual world controlled by Matt in order to successfully lure a confession out of him, while "real" Potter sits in a jail cell. Matt, or his handlers controlling the environment, could have deliberately made it so that there were no communication devices, keeping in line with their intended goal, also to further taunt Potter.
Something else kinda bothered me though; remember when Matt says "You're just code" - how is it they were able to transfer consciousness (soul?) into a digital format? Was this code so advanced that the AI created its own consciousness/awareness?
Anyway, all this aside, I am really looking forward to more episodes of this show, best thing on TV for a while. -
mobocracy — 10 years ago(January 12, 2016 06:09 PM)
I don't think a specific technological explanation of how the "cookie" works is really necessary. I just assumed it would be like making a copy of a whole computer. The original goes on running and the clone is identical except from the point of copying on when it establishes its own identity.
I thought this segment of the Christmas show was the least compelling. I would think that a trapped consciousness would always be problematic and that it would take more than boredom torture to get them to behave. I would think it would take some positive mental stimulation if it's all a simulation for the clone, why not put them in a more fleshed out virtual reality to make them more comfortable, perhaps let them watch their originals through those crazy eye cameras. -
!!!deleted!!! (4524359) — 9 years ago(October 22, 2016 04:58 PM)
Well you're just a biological machine, you have a consciousness don't you? The only thing you really have to accept to buy into machines or AI being capable of having consciousness is that there's nothing magical about our brain, a "soul" some would call it.
I know that's hard to accept for some people but it is also what seems the most likely and rational. -
GuyOnTheLeft — 10 years ago(February 03, 2016 03:10 AM)
She also looked way too bundled up to not even make it past the yard before freezing to death. Where was this, Antarctica? Looked like it was supposed to be the UK.
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sgtgory — 10 years ago(February 09, 2016 06:57 AM)
Yeah Gramps was definitely a technophobe, the old timey radio n oven, while over in the city, a lady has a copy of herself making her toast the way she likes it and organising her diary.
The kid had been alone in a cabin for at least 24 hours, of coarse she could have died at the bottom of the garden. -
raf-33 — 10 years ago(March 01, 2016 11:04 AM)
I suppose all of the children that leave their home to find help and drown, dehydrate or get run over must be the result of lazy writing too?
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The_Grither — 9 years ago(April 12, 2016 05:13 AM)
Plus she died way too fast. I know a four year old isn't very suited to survival in a snowstorm but she didn't even make it out of her yard.
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the_Poppuns — 9 years ago(October 18, 2016 03:48 PM)
I think maybe she didn't actually die. She could have, because he left her, so that's the crime. Everything we were seeing was from his cookie perspective. He had to have been told what happened after he left. He didn't witness it. They probably told him the story about her hiding, then giving her grandpa the present, etc. He probably just imagined her dropping dead so soon after. The nightmare he'll be living in is that cabin where the view out the window is her corpse. Otherwise if he could see a nice snowy scene all the time it probably wouldn't be that bad.
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praxis44241 — 9 years ago(October 19, 2016 10:59 AM)
I'm pretty sure the little girl died, but not in her front lawn. The only reason it seems that way is because the writers wanted to let us know that she died of exposure, so they showed us as if "Potter" was looking through the window of HIS cabin, not the grandfather's.
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Mehki_Girl — 9 years ago(October 31, 2016 07:42 PM)
Here's a thought, even in the future not everyone can afford or wants to use the technology. Grandpa certainly had an old fashioned house compared with the ultramodern house of the other house. Oh I don't know, I'm guessing she was rich and could afford the latest.
Even now, everyone doesn't have, want, or can afford a smartphone. I know a lot of people that have absolutely no interest in an Iphone or the latest Samsung no matter how much I sing the praises of a smartphone.
Now, I did wonder because I thought at least her mom would have taught her some safety things and there would have been the equivalent of a phone in the house for the little girl to call for help. But who knows, little kids don't always do rational things.
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