So whatever happened to their daughter? (spoiler)
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helen_white — 10 years ago(July 13, 2015 01:04 PM)
I was mostly on the mother's side throughout the film and I want to thank those here, on Imdb, who wrote about her responsibility in this. I didn't quite see it.
Narcissic mother, I guess, - so no special physical violence is needed, probably?
But I still see the father responsible, too, not too little. He sees sexual (and perhaps not only sexual) as dirty, it's not healthy. They both are bad examples and bad as parents, I think. Traumatized, with their traumas left untreated. -
helen_white — 10 years ago(July 13, 2015 02:59 PM)
I think you're right about borderline - looks quite much so (just looked it up and am ashamed that I talk about things I have a shallow knowledge of :); I used the term 'narcissic' because I read how children can be narcissistic extensions for their parents (and Lily seemed like one for her mother), - I guess, I generalized the term too much).
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AwaixJvd — 10 years ago(July 13, 2015 02:06 PM)
Those lines in hospital, saying that she didn't get it from me. Those lines also surprised me and i was thinking what does that mean. I want to know how do you interpret them? I really have no interpretation to that but i do want to know what does those lines mean according to you.
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malteehlers — 10 years ago(July 13, 2015 03:18 PM)
Well, it's pretty obvious that the dad is not as "interested" in sex as the wife is, and perhaps there has been some occasion earlier where she has cheated on him (they seem to be distant with each other not only because of the daughter and the move but there seems to be some other reason as well), as we also see evidence of throughout the movie (she hits on the policeman, the "retarded" man/boy etc.). She seems to use her attractiveness and sex as a way to get what she wants, to manipulate people, perhaps because that's the only way she knows how -maybe she was abused herself from a young age.
So I interpret that line from the dad simply to mean that the daughter has inherited and/or learned the above described behaviour from her. -
jupnose25 — 10 years ago(July 15, 2015 04:16 PM)
It's nice how a woman who is interested in sex gets characterised as a "wild tramp", a "whore", "slut" etc..
It's pretty obvious that the husband is the one with fvcked up sexual issues, deeply repressed and hiding from something, that he's been pushing them both away physically and mentally for years and that he is the reason they act out sexually. But no, he's fine, it's the wife and daughter that are abnormal. -
Siamois — 10 years ago(July 20, 2015 11:23 AM)
It's pretty obvious that the husband is the one with fvcked up sexual issues, deeply repressed and hiding from something, that he's been pushing them both away physically and mentally for years and that he is the reason they act out sexually. But no, he's fine, it's the wife and daughter that are abnormal.
LOL, that is the most absurd spin-doctoring I've seen in a while.
So, in one corner, we've got a a man uncomfortable with his sexuality. Whoopee-doo.
In the other, we have his wife who is coming on to the mentally challenged man who had sexual relations with her underrage daughter, tries to seduce the officer in charge of finding same daughter and wonders around town completely naked.
But of course, in your twisted feminist mind, it's the MAN who has issues, here.
No healthy person whatsoever actually doubts that this woman had major issues and dysfunctions. -
jupnose25 — 10 years ago(July 20, 2015 01:54 PM)
I am male and I'm not a feminist (in your very limited comprehension of the term).
In the other, we have his wife who is coming on to the mentally challenged man who had sexual relations with her underage daughter, tries to seduce the officer in charge of finding same daughter and wonders around town completely naked.
Absurdly simplistic, the kind of opinion I would expect from a young child with no life experience and thus a very limited capacity for empathy. Shouting "they did that" with no consideration of why, simply judging based upon their own immature and naive rule set.
Gender is completely irrelevant (obviously not to you of course), we have a HUMAN, in the midst of literally the most stressful experience possible, receiving absolutely no comfort or support from their partner. At the best of times, his behavior amounted to emotional abuse but in the midst of the situation depicted, his behavior was torturous. Her behavior was inappropriate but it was completely understandable.
in your twisted feminist mind, it's the MAN who has issues, here
This says so much about you, you assassinate your own character, well played.
No healthy person whatsoever actually doubts that this woman had major issues and dysfunctions.
She certainly did have a major issue, both her kids were missing and presumed dead XD That's going to bring about a little dysfunctional behavior. -
bilalabdulmajeed — 10 years ago(July 20, 2015 05:43 PM)
She certainly did have a major issue, both her kids were missing and presumed dead XD That's going to bring about a little dysfunctional behavior.
Your comment makes no sense because both parents went through the same situation.
The husband might have been emotionally distant or unavailable at times, but it pales in comparison to the dysfunctional sexuality of the wife. -
jupnose25 — 10 years ago(July 22, 2015 02:32 PM)
The husband might have been emotionally distant or unavailable at times
The point was, it wasn't "at times". It's made explicitly clear that he had been this was for many years.
the dysfunctional sexuality of the wife.
That would be a woman who enjoys touch and sensuality? There is absolutely nothing to suggest the wife is "dysfunctional" beyond that. While breaking down mentally she behaves inappropriately with that aboriginal guy but it doesn't go anywhere. With the sheriff, she reaches out to the one man who has shown any sort of compassion, warmth or interest towards her.. Remember the scene in his car? -
Morgana0 — 10 years ago(August 11, 2015 10:53 AM)
With the sheriff, she reaches out to the one man who has shown any sort of compassion, warmth or interest towards her.
It's one thing to reach out to someone that is compassionate toward you, as a friend, quite another to try and have sex with them. She seems to not know how to behave toward anyone except by trying to seduce them. She is seriously dysfunctional.
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jupnose25 — 10 years ago(August 13, 2015 05:16 PM)
Hello Morgana,
She is seriously dysfunctional.
There is no right way of acting in such a state, there is no predictable course of behavior that a person should follow. Stresses like these short circuit our coping mechanisms and what happens after that is anyone's guess.
So when I defend her behavior, I'm not defending the behavior of a woman who chooses to molest the mentally handicapped, or is sexually aggressive towards near strangers.. I am simply saying that rationale, sanity even, are fairly tenuous and that once they've gone, it is unfair to judge a person based upon their behavior, this is why we have legal defenses such as "diminished responsibility". -
Morgana0 — 10 years ago(August 15, 2015 10:14 AM)
That's true. But from a remark made between the husband and wife, before the children disappeared, it seems that the mother had always been 'wild'. I can't recall the exact words but she had said how she had quieted down since being married, something like that.
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jupnose25 — 10 years ago(August 18, 2015 12:17 PM)
I don't remember that either but I don't think being sexual should classify a person as dysfunctional. What did you infer from that remark? I mean What does "wild" actually mean? That she liked "kinky" stuff? That she had many partners? That she had cheated on him prior to their marriage? Sex is a natural function and I can't think of anything less dysfunctional than a strong desire to perform a natural function that feels great.
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songod-95003 — 10 years ago(October 03, 2015 12:46 PM)
While I have seen it in my own life I never understood the attraction between people where one is sexually adventurous and the other is repressed. It always lead to friction and ultimately divorce. So why did they bother??
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Siamois — 10 years ago(July 21, 2015 06:12 AM)
Absurdly simplistic, the kind of opinion I would expect from a young child with no life experience and thus a very limited capacity for empathy.
What you quoted wasn't an opinion but a factual account of what the mother had been doing.
It's a fact she was coming on to the mentally challenged man who had sexual relations with her underage daughter.
It's a fact she tried to seduce the officer in charge of finding her daughter.
It's a fact she wondered around town completely naked, barely aware.
The only one with a simplistic, childish vision of this story is yourself, with your insistence that, and I quote:
It's pretty obvious that the husband is the one with fvcked up sexual issues
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jupnose25 — 10 years ago(July 22, 2015 02:48 PM)
factual account of what the mother had been doing.
It was a factual account with NO CONTEXT.. Jesus christ..
It's a fact she was coming on to the mentally challenged man who had sexual relations with her underage daughter.
That was a pretty messed up thing to do right? I would imagine a person would have to be really beep up mentally to do such a thing.. Wait..
It's a fact she tried to seduce the officer in charge of finding her daughter
This is the guy who was coming on to her in the car right, the guy that was stroking her face and lips prior to her "seduction" right? Damn you're so beep stupid it's painful.
So this poor sheriff is the "vulnerable" one in this situation right? You cannot possibly see how a woman, starved of any affection or warmth, undergoing the most extreme mental turmoil, might turn to him? Especially not after his totally innocent behavior in the car earlier?
It's a seriously messed up point of view, just so you know.
No.. It's the only sensical opinion on here, so it's fortunate it's my own!
The film makes it clear that the husband has been distant and cold both emotionally and sexually for the best part of a decade, and for potentially quite dodgy reasons. You may ask why she stayed with him? Unfortunately in this world many mismatched couples live out their lives together, particularly those with children, making themselves and everyone around them miserable, as seen here.. -
jupnose25 — 10 years ago(July 22, 2015 03:02 PM)
Oh you have facts now?
In the last post I saw of yours you were convinced that the dad was molesting the daughter but it seems that through diligent research you have uncovered empirical evidence that substantiates your now radically different position, that it was actually the mother molesting the son. Hey, someone's got to be molesting someone right? XD