So whatever happened to their daughter? (spoiler)
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Siamois — 10 years ago(July 21, 2015 06:12 AM)
Absurdly simplistic, the kind of opinion I would expect from a young child with no life experience and thus a very limited capacity for empathy.
What you quoted wasn't an opinion but a factual account of what the mother had been doing.
It's a fact she was coming on to the mentally challenged man who had sexual relations with her underage daughter.
It's a fact she tried to seduce the officer in charge of finding her daughter.
It's a fact she wondered around town completely naked, barely aware.
The only one with a simplistic, childish vision of this story is yourself, with your insistence that, and I quote:
It's pretty obvious that the husband is the one with fvcked up sexual issues
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jupnose25 — 10 years ago(July 22, 2015 02:48 PM)
factual account of what the mother had been doing.
It was a factual account with NO CONTEXT.. Jesus christ..
It's a fact she was coming on to the mentally challenged man who had sexual relations with her underage daughter.
That was a pretty messed up thing to do right? I would imagine a person would have to be really beep up mentally to do such a thing.. Wait..
It's a fact she tried to seduce the officer in charge of finding her daughter
This is the guy who was coming on to her in the car right, the guy that was stroking her face and lips prior to her "seduction" right? Damn you're so beep stupid it's painful.
So this poor sheriff is the "vulnerable" one in this situation right? You cannot possibly see how a woman, starved of any affection or warmth, undergoing the most extreme mental turmoil, might turn to him? Especially not after his totally innocent behavior in the car earlier?
It's a seriously messed up point of view, just so you know.
No.. It's the only sensical opinion on here, so it's fortunate it's my own!
The film makes it clear that the husband has been distant and cold both emotionally and sexually for the best part of a decade, and for potentially quite dodgy reasons. You may ask why she stayed with him? Unfortunately in this world many mismatched couples live out their lives together, particularly those with children, making themselves and everyone around them miserable, as seen here.. -
jupnose25 — 10 years ago(July 22, 2015 03:02 PM)
Oh you have facts now?
In the last post I saw of yours you were convinced that the dad was molesting the daughter but it seems that through diligent research you have uncovered empirical evidence that substantiates your now radically different position, that it was actually the mother molesting the son. Hey, someone's got to be molesting someone right? XD -
!!!deleted!!! (58906484) — 10 years ago(July 22, 2015 04:10 PM)
In an interview with the director she basically states that her hope was to create uncertainty with this film. Uncertainty that any parent with missing children feels. She also suggests that the town/audience would create a narrative true or false base on their perceptions and need to rationalize the horror missing little ones. After watching the films 2 times I concluded that there were clues, red herrings, and dead ends to confuse the viewer and create uncertainty. The Sheriff states clearly that the town will assume that the husband was the abuser. When was the last time the mob had any insights on the truth let alone complicated behavior? So we can almost assume that if the mob thinks it is one it most certainly not the case. Lilly's diary states that abuse is still occurring nightly. Therefore, it must be one of the parents since Tom was not born prior to Lilly's acting out. After some consideration and other perspectives I believe that Mother is the culprit. Mrs. Parker has done things very questionable but hard to reconcile since she is woman and there is double standard in place in regards to sexuality, beauty, and mental illness.
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jupnose25 — 10 years ago(July 22, 2015 04:20 PM)
You believe the mother was abusing the girl now? That's ridiculous, no more comment necessary.
Lilly's diary states that abuse is still occurring nightly.
You see, this is where your arguments fall down, you predicate them upon things that didn't happen.
Mrs. Parker has done things very questionable but hard to reconcile since she is woman and there is double standard in place in regards to sexuality, beauty, and mental illness.
Could you please explain what you mean by this, specifically about the double standard in regards to mental illness? Maybe you're just not expressing yourself very well but it's more likely you're thinking something ridiculous! -
kimberleygd — 10 years ago(August 01, 2015 06:02 PM)
Do you think maybe Lily was not his daughter, but from an affair? Hence " she didn't get it from me? I'm not sure about the mother being a molester, I'm going to watch it again for sure, I don't agree with the remarks about the scene when she visits the daughters room. I think she is missing her and trying to connect with her by trying on her things, smelling her scent to give her comfort. Certainly there is something going on, I just can't say with any clear certainty that she is molesting them.
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trojan003 — 10 years ago(August 02, 2015 06:53 AM)
Exactly my point!
I don't see her molesting her daughter in the past though. Lily had some disturbing past, we must agree but apart from Burtie and a few lads at skatepark, we see no clues in the movie throughout. -
dnvs28 — 10 years ago(July 19, 2015 03:48 AM)
The "she didn't get it from me" alludes to an earlier statement the husband made to Kidman's character about their daughter: "She does whatever she wants. She's is more out of control than you were. Doesn't care how what she does affects anyone else."
It could also be a reference to how both the daughter and the mother use sex to express emotion.
I don't think the mother abused the daughter. I think she felt as if her daughter was an extension of herself, which is why maybe 'inside you inside me' was more powerful as a maternal connection than as a sexual one.
I think the way she either channeled her grief or tried to find her daughter was by putting on her clothes and trying to sleep with that slow guy, and then disappearing to the desert and coming backlike she was rewriting her daughter's experience with a better ending. -
!!!deleted!!! (58906484) — 10 years ago(July 19, 2015 06:25 AM)
I agree with the last part of your post. The mother overwhelmed with grief went out to the desert to rewrite her daughter experience. She came back abused and bruised and the her daughter was presumably gone or dead. The question is really what sparked the sexually risky behavior? Dad might have abused her until the day she left. Mrs. accuses her husband of abuse. I think Mrs Parker abused Tom hence the night walks
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greg-goremykin — 10 years ago(July 21, 2015 03:00 AM)
I agree, she just simply took off to start a new life, either to escape current abuse, most likely sexual, that was going on at home, or because of abuse that had shifted from her to her brother. In either case, she knew she had to leave forever. She had already probably made her way to Sydney or Melbourne, never to look back. She'd tried at least once before you could tell one of the parents, I can't remember which, had said at the police station that they found her staying at a friends that that was complete bull$hit she had been trying to run away for good, but they caught her and brought her back home, and even moved to a much more isolated community to make it tougher for her to try to get away again.
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xterminal — 10 years ago(October 23, 2015 09:59 PM)
There is also the possibility that she simply arranged to go to the concert which she was not allowed to go to by her father in the beginning although I admit it's probably not what we are supposed to think.
Actually, I believe that's exactly what we are supposed to thinkthere's no other reason for that scene to be in the film. The only thing that runs counter to it is the final voiceover/montagewhich just makes the whole bloody thing all the more frustrating. -
bellapeligrosa — 10 years ago(July 26, 2015 08:00 AM)
I think there was someone abducting kids in the town. The Aboriginal community can't make a fuss, perhaps because it's interpreted by them as the land taking the kids back, perhaps because they know something and are scared to speak up. What surprises me is that, given the circumstances, it wasn't all over the national news, her photo everywhere. Then if she had run away it would be more likely that she would be spotted. Nobody would pick up a young, teenage girl in the middle of the night without questions, so if she did get into a car she didn't get out again. Also it's the middle of bloody nowhere - so unless she pre-arranged the pick up or knew the person in the car it's unlikely she'd get in. And if she was running away - why take her brother to witness it, and as Kidman pointed out she didn't take her diary. She also clearly loved her brother and I can't see that she'd leave him in a situation where there was abuse at home. Something was as offkey about the town as about Kidman and Fiennes.
It's too cerebral! We're trying to make a movie here, not a film! -
!!!deleted!!! (58906484) — 10 years ago(July 26, 2015 09:33 AM)
I think think she went to meet somebody she knew. Nothing special there since she was not oppose to getting in the "box" with anybody. Whoever she met drove off and left Tom out there. Tommy waits and she never comes back. He walks and eventually gets lost. Super speculative, her old teacher calls her for reunion roll in the hay. The teachers wife actually put him up to it and when they do meet the wife kills Lilly from the back seat. The point of the movie according to the director is that we the audience is suppose to experience the loss and uncertainty that parents suffers during the crises. Sometimes there is no resolution. I am more interest in the why she ran away part of the film which is mystery to be solve unless the director concocted a story no solution.
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!!!deleted!!! (58906484) — 10 years ago(July 27, 2015 08:18 AM)
she ran away or was abducted. parents deal with missing children. that's all
She ran because she was sexually abused
. What happened to Lilly? I really don't have the foggiest idea. The director states that she wanted the audience to experience the uncertainty with this type of loss.