8.1 really?
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NightFeather — 9 years ago(February 11, 2017 03:46 AM)
You really think the government wouldn't nuke us to stop a percived threat? Lol civilians are nothing more than collateral damage. They wouldn't even hesitate. They would justify it by saying "What's a few thousand, hundred thousand, million compared to saving hundred million or a billion?" I don't think you truly understand how expendable we are to our own countries.
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king_of_bob — 9 years ago(February 12, 2017 06:47 AM)
You really think the government wouldn't nuke us to stop a percived threat?
You really think detonating nuclear warheads in the US and elsewhere is a smart idea? Especially when we have no idea if it would even have an effect? Frankly, you're stupid if you think world governments would be so stupid to start a war with an alien race without even attempting to make contact.
How the government justified it would be irrelevant. We'd be wiped out regardless of their reasoning. I don't think you truly understand the technological gap between humans and a species capable of bridging the gap between stars.
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NightFeather — 9 years ago(February 12, 2017 07:14 AM)
This is the government we are talking about, smart ideas are out of the question. Did you even watch the movie? If you did, did you miss the part where China, Russia, Iran and even America were preparing to attack the creatures? That was all over a simple missunderstanding. If conventional didn't work, nuclear would follow.
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mehmetoney — 9 years ago(February 11, 2017 08:33 AM)
well said..
there are lots of things that I can explain why this movie sucks. But I will behave as the romantic movie fans did, and say, "if you liked it, you will not get it even if I explain"
But I just wanna point out this. why the f.ck extraterrestrials would care for world peace? why would they give a sh.t?
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mehmetoney — 9 years ago(February 11, 2017 08:37 PM)
@mr-danny, @salt101..
you mention that aliens will need our help after 3000 years right. So they found a way to make us work together.. which will be benefitial for them at far future..
I don't buy that. movie sucks at being a good sci-fi and tries to be something valuable at philosophical side as the plot.. let me explain 2 dilemmas that conflicts with that approach..- it looks like they are way ahead of us at science and communication.. they are well much aware of how universe works etc. And they decided to manipulate us (even in a good way) for a greater good.. that is the first dilemma.. if they really have good intentions for every kind of living beings around and with a friendly and peaceful universe, why the beep they just don't explain it us that way, being more decent and honest. what? cause humans will not give a beep if they acted that way? than I don't f.cking trust any kind of being who treats me like an as.hole. even the relation of their attitude with god at holy books, which irritates me and make me wonder about their decency.
- if their communication lets them to see the future and their science lets them to dissolve like moist at mid air, they should have better communication skills other than making us understand their weird language. (which is lack of proves and reasons to make the audience believe, that we learn their language and communicate with them in a couple of weeks) if they are superior, they should act like one. be more explanatory and make sense..
and worst of all, those beings looks like octopus and squids mated. really? ok I don't expect to see something humane but not something like from earth too.. specially not something like those idiotic creatures.
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king_of_bob — 9 years ago(February 12, 2017 07:09 AM)
I don't buy that. movie sucks at being a good sci-fi and tries to be something valuable at philosophical side as the plot.. let me explain 2 dilemmas that conflicts with that approach..
Nobody gives a beep if you buy it or not, that's what the movie gives us whether you like it or not.- That's a false dilemma. They didn't manipulate us for the greater good. I don't think you understood the nature of time in the movie. You're looking at time as a linear progression of cause and effect. But the aliens do not perceive time this way. Everything that has happened, is happening or will happen, already has. Think Terminator 1 rules.
And your question as to why they don't explain that to us, they beep did. But you have to break down the linguistic barriers first, since their language is COMPLETELY alien to us.
even the relation of their attitude with god at holy books, which irritates me and make me wonder about their decency.
What the beep are you talking about? - Again, you failed to understand the film. They don't "see the future." The future exists. Their language affects how they PERCEIVE time. It doesn't allow them the ability to time travel. It only allows them to be aware of events that have yet to happen from the specific time frame of "now."
Their communication skills aren't the problem. Ours is. Their language is complex where ours is simple. Not to mention, the point was to help humanity change our perception of time and move beyond our insular views of borders.
if they are superior, they should act like one. be more explanatory and make sense..
Do you truly not understand "Alien language"? They make perfect sense, their language is just incredibly complex. We don't understand it because we have no frame of reference.
and worst of all, those beings looks like octopus and squids mated. really? ok I don't expect to see something humane but not something like from earth too.. specially not something like those idiotic creatures.
The beep are you talking about? They clearly had bones in their apendages, unlike squids and octopods. Which are invertebrates. This is a seriously stupid criticism. "The aliens didn't look alien enough for me."
From a guy who rated Heroes a 9 but Life of Pi a 1, it's incredibly had to take you seriously. Especially when you get facts completely wrong.
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- That's a false dilemma. They didn't manipulate us for the greater good. I don't think you understood the nature of time in the movie. You're looking at time as a linear progression of cause and effect. But the aliens do not perceive time this way. Everything that has happened, is happening or will happen, already has. Think Terminator 1 rules.
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mehmetoney — 9 years ago(February 13, 2017 07:59 PM)
- That's a false dilemma. They didn't manipulate us for the greater good. I don't think you understood the nature of time in the movie. You're looking at time as a linear progression of cause and effect. But the aliens do not perceive time this way. Everything that has happened, is happening or will happen, already has. Think Terminator 1 rules.
And your question as to why they don't explain that to us, they beep did. But you have to break down the linguistic barriers first, since their language is COMPLETELY alien to us.
That is not an answer to what I ask. You say we are unable to understand their reasons and why they are doing this, unless we understand their language cause we have nothing to to take as a reference right? ok. But you are being a demagogue. Those still can't be an excuse for them, like behaving as beep They could have said, "you must learn our language" and it is much more easy for them to speak our language for that explanation, instead of making us learn theirs which we made in a couple of weeks at movie, also which is another idiotic thing to be taken as a fact. I don't like to have assumptions at sci-fi movies. Maybe you like, and that is you. But respect my expectations as a different person dear.
even the relation of their attitude with god at holy books, which irritates me and make me wonder about their decency.
What the beep are you talking about? - Again, you failed to understand the film. They don't "see the future." The future exists. Their language affects how they PERCEIVE time. It doesn't allow them the ability to time travel. It only allows them to be aware of events that have yet to happen from the specific time frame of "now."
Their communication skills aren't the problem. Ours is. Their language is complex where ours is simple. Not to mention, the point was to help humanity change our perception of time and move beyond our insular views of borders.
I don't know you are a believer or not, but the same attitude we can see at holy books, about how god treats humans.
Even it doesn't make any sense that god's sayings and explanations, we must accept and move along. Cause it is god. He should know better right? I hate that submissive like behaviour. It is an insult to my intelligence. So yes, they behave like they are superior than us. But not acting like that. It creates a story makes me having difficulties to relate with. Maybe you can, but that is you. Not me.
I never claimed that they are making time travels etc. If you are making a movie, that an unknown not-seen language will make you to foresee the future events, than you have to explain exactly how it works. An answer like "it is a very different language you know, when you learn it, you will have a totally different perception" hmm that doesn't convince me. Maybe you, but not me.
It is like I am telling you,that I am 784 years old, it is possible because I made a special potion with the herbs that makes my lifetime centuries longer and never aged. Than you ask ok how, what herbs are they, how they work? And I say, your science is not enough to understand it, cause you are a low-life. drink it and live centuries more. If you were me you would say, oh great, I will drink it. But I'd say, beep off dear, find someone else to mock with. But that's me, not you. You drink it. bon-a-petite.
and worst of all, those beings looks like octopus and squids mated. really? ok I don't expect to see something humane but not something like from earth too.. specially not something like those idiotic creatures.
The beep are you talking about? They clearly had bones in their apendages, unlike squids and octopods. Which are invertebrates. This is a seriously stupid criticism. "The aliens didn't look alien enough for me."
From a guy who rated Heroes a 9 but Life of Pi a 1, it's incredibly had to take you seriously. Especially when you get facts completely wrong.
So you add bones to a squid or octopus, and they are aliens. lemme laugh on this a minute. ehhehm. ehm.
At a sci-fi movie, if I can relate the designed aliens to any being from earth, that makes the production design of the movie a little lack of creativity. Look at Alien series, look at Predator, look at even Blob. They are much more convincing, even many of them don't have superior intelligence and totally different languages. I would be much more happier even if I saw steam like non-visible creatures instead of those creatures. Don't defend that octopus like things with their bones and being or not being invertebrates. that doesn't make any sense. But as I said. That is you.. You buy that. but respect if I don't.
And of course I would give heroes 9, first version of them has all criterias that a good plot need to have. It was fun to watch as tv series. And it didn't promised anything that I didn't see. It has an integrity which matters to me a lot. Life of Pi deserved 1 star cause it was way overrated. Actually it may get a 5 maybe, but after I see it was scored
- That's a false dilemma. They didn't manipulate us for the greater good. I don't think you understood the nature of time in the movie. You're looking at time as a linear progression of cause and effect. But the aliens do not perceive time this way. Everything that has happened, is happening or will happen, already has. Think Terminator 1 rules.
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king_of_bob — 9 years ago(February 12, 2017 06:48 AM)
That's made incredibly clear if you actually pay attention to the movie. They offered to help us now, and in exchange, we help them 3000 years from their arrival. Don't blame the movie because you didn't pay attention.
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mehmetoney — 9 years ago(February 12, 2017 07:02 AM)
I already wrote an answer for that.
http://www.imdb.com/board/12543164/board/nest/265913280?d=265971625#265971625
and I am not blaming the movie, I am blaming the execution of a story which has a potential, that has been wasted by idiotic decisions and alien design..
You liked it? cool. I am not calling you anything because you like it. I didn't and it is an overrated movie. deal with it. -
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mehmetoney — 9 years ago(February 13, 2017 06:53 PM)
I got you. no offence taken.
I gave that movie 9 stars, cause it was underrated. Normally it should be 7.5, maybe it doesn't deserve 9 stars, but it is a good movie also.. a definite 7.. Cause it fulfills every promise it made, it got action, cliches, nice plot. It is decent enough for a movie with a nice story to have fun. Maybe it is cheesy for you, but I like that cheesy movies like "first blood".
That is not the point. What I am angry about arrival, it doesn't fulfill our (at least my) expectations. If you wanted to make a movie, with a story, that tells the people, being united as all living things even with aliens, if you wanted to build a story structure with philosophical support, I would definitely ask and expect better arguments, better reasons and better plot to believe in and understand.
Harmony and integrity matters more, than good will. I am specially pissed about the result with arrival, cause they ruined a potential, that it can be a cult. It is a disrespect to art of movie. They could do better but they didn't. They should have made definite explanations about how they solved and understand their language and their usage of it. I don't accept explanations like many fans are making; " their understanding of the language is different that is why they can foresee the future, but not know the future". These are assumptions. As an audience, I deserve more convincing and definite answers instead of blabbing about it means that or this.. They should create solid facts which can not be destroyed by anybody easily.
I would give this movie a definite 9, if there was no aliens or sci-fi involved. You don't have the luxury to make philosophical assumptions at a sci-fi movie. (at least for me)
As I said, I am not accusing anybody who loves that movie. And dealing with their decision. You should also do the same. I don't want you to agree with me.
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thechez2004 — 9 years ago(February 11, 2017 03:47 PM)
Stupid? The post is straight to the point and I could not recommend this film to anyone. If you think this is so good then this is what is wrong with today's film industry it is watched by people with low standards
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SilvanaWindrunner — 9 years ago(February 11, 2017 02:56 PM)
I fully agree. While at the cinema, I kept switching from nearly falling asleep, walking out and praying it would be over soon.
Didn't deliver in any way, while visually it might have looked decent, it was tedious and shallow. Gave it a 6. -
Seth_Rogue_One — 9 years ago(February 11, 2017 03:33 PM)
People can vote what they want and it's not a cardinal scifi sin to be boring.
That said I wasn't impressed either. But then I tend to have different opinions than the general Joe on here about films.
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