Pretentious and nonsensical
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SolemnMind — 9 years ago(February 08, 2017 11:29 AM)
Personally I do agree that the entire conceit of this movie is nonsensical, but there is a specific explanation for what you're saying and it seems that a lot of people on this board don't seem to grasp it. The explanation is that the whole idea of this movie isn't the ability to see the future, it's about how these aliens and Louise experience time.
They don't actually see the future, they live it the same time as the present and the past. In fact none of those terms matter to them. Basically their selves at any point of their existence can remember their entire life as if it has already happened and from their perspective, it might as well have. It's a hard concept to grasp, mostly because it's completely devoid of logic, but the reason Costello died was because he alrady had died from his and Abbot's perspective.
Same with Louise. She didn't see the future per se, she actually lived it for those few glimpses that we saw. Maybe it doesn't happen to her to the extent of the aliens but the only reason she "saw" those things was because those are the actions that she takes in the future. If she had done something different, like not tell Ian about their daughter's illness she wouldn't have seen herself telling him in the first place. Essentially every choice Louise will ever make in the future has already been made. -
stacy0912 — 9 years ago(February 11, 2017 12:21 PM)
This is how I understood it as well. I've tried explaining this for years, but always come up short in trying to help people understand, so you did a great job. The confines of time only exists in our waking conscious minds. I think we all subconsciously know it, but we choose to keep ourselves grounded and limited out of fear and rationality.
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johnatrott — 9 years ago(February 11, 2017 12:40 PM)
This film is The Emperor's New Clothes. A magnet for sycophancy.
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stacy0912 — 9 years ago(February 11, 2017 12:53 PM)
In the spirit of this movie, Soon, I'll give a proper reply and you shall receive it in eighteen days. You'll wake up and my words will suddenly fill your head. The reasoning for this is to give me time to dust off my Pretentious Shakespearean-English dictionary to decipher what the hell you're trying to say.
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Neuronhead — 9 years ago(February 12, 2017 05:08 AM)
She remembers forward, like they do. If all time was created in the big bang, and all events already exist, then this movie makes perfect sense.
Mathematically time doesn't have to be represented forward as we experience it. Right now, time is being bent in all kinds of ways. Navigation satellites have to have their clocks re-calibrated constantly because time moves slower in places of higher gravity.
Einstein called it spacetime because the two are integral to each other.
There's a lot of physics that supports this movie. It certainly isn't nonsensical to everyone. Only to people who don't understand the concepts it was using.
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dudi-10 — 9 years ago(February 13, 2017 04:44 AM)
i'd be fine with it if I wasn't convinced that foreseeing the future means anything you do will end up differently from what you saw, meaning what you saw wasn't the future as in the end it didn't happen after all
even if you tried to replicate what you saw in the future, you will fail to get a 100% synchronization with what you saw because you have seen it and try to replicate it
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Neuronhead — 9 years ago(February 13, 2017 06:05 AM)
Imagine your present relied on your past happening exactly how it did. Which it does.
It's the same for the aliens.
Imagine your present relied on someone travelling into the past and causing the present to be just he way it is. You don't know this because you're not able to see time.
It's the same for the aliens. Except they're able to see time.
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clausmelvej — 9 years ago(February 08, 2017 12:01 PM)
Dude.. There is several things that went over your head.. Let me explain:
- Maybe Costello knew what would happen, but sacrificied himself well knowing for the greater purpose. A little like when Louise choose to get her daughter even though she will lose her at a young age.
- General Chang knows his wifes dying words all along.. The twist is that LOUISE didn't know until the general tells her at the ball And then again.. She does.. Because she learned to percieve time differently You know Its not like the general hears it for the first time when Louise tells it..
There you go.. Now it really IS a 8.1, right?
As for telling the husbond. Well.. I see that as a "cliffhanger".. An open ending maybe, and where our understanding for timetravel is up for discussion.. Maybe she does tell him, but maybe she choose not to. And is she predestined to do so, or can she make another choice?
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david-smojver — 9 years ago(February 08, 2017 02:10 PM)
This is some serious pretentious peace of crap. I saw the whole movie and it was remarkably slow, boring and it killed my IQ.
I am a writer of Historical Fiction and I know how huge pain in the arse it is to keep the story flowing and how to avoid the plot holes.
However, there was no effort put into this script, nor the story.
Whomever greenlit this should stop working in movie business.
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Matthew_J — 9 years ago(February 11, 2017 08:57 AM)
yeah, sureyou're a writer. One with terrible grammar, and one that doesn't know the word greenlit from "grinlit" which isn't a word. I'm sure your writing is wildly popular.
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david-smojver — 9 years ago(February 11, 2017 09:05 AM)
First of all, English is not my first language. I speak 5 languages. How many languages are you fluent in?
Secondly, when all you do is point out the grammar and insult that shows that you have no arguments and that your intellectual level is subpar.
Thirdly, if you think that you sound sophisticated by saying that "those who do not understand the movie don't like it", you are sadly mistaken. We know the difference between quality movies with a message and pretentious crap that people like you glorify in order to feel important about their pitiful, empty lives.
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king_of_bob — 9 years ago(February 12, 2017 07:31 AM)
First of all, English is not my first language. I speak 5 languages. How many languages are you fluent in?
Sure. I totally believe you, dude.
Secondly, when all you do is point out the grammar and insult that shows that you have no arguments and that your intellectual level is subpar.
You realize that is exactly no different from your "criticism" of this film, right? That you offered no constructive criticism.
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souterraine — 9 years ago(February 12, 2017 01:12 AM)
There probably are some holes in the story, but as a linguistics student, I was so excited and positively surprised that the protagonist is a linguist and that actual theories like the Sapir-Whorf hypothesis were used. That's one of the reasons why I personally liked this movie a lot.
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king_of_bob — 9 years ago(February 12, 2017 07:30 AM)
It's hard to take your intellectual criticism seriously when you wrote "peace of crap" instead of "piece of crap." I'm guessing your IQ was nothing to be proud of prior to walking into the movie. The fact that you claim to be a writer is beep hilarious!
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king_of_bob — 9 years ago(February 12, 2017 07:37 AM)
Really? You're an idiot if you believe that. If that were the case, why did WB not do the same thing to artificially bolster BvS abysmal Rotten Tomato score?
"Ordinary people" gave it bad reviews because they're not very smart. Every negative thing I've seen people saying is a result of failing to actually understand what they were presented with.
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david-smojver — 9 years ago(February 12, 2017 09:11 AM)
Only a person with no arguments points out the grammar. I guess you need a safe space snowflake. When you will actually have something to say, get back to me. But for that, you will need to grow up a bit.
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