Pretentious and nonsensical
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king_of_bob — 9 years ago(February 12, 2017 07:37 AM)
Really? You're an idiot if you believe that. If that were the case, why did WB not do the same thing to artificially bolster BvS abysmal Rotten Tomato score?
"Ordinary people" gave it bad reviews because they're not very smart. Every negative thing I've seen people saying is a result of failing to actually understand what they were presented with.
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david-smojver — 9 years ago(February 12, 2017 09:11 AM)
Only a person with no arguments points out the grammar. I guess you need a safe space snowflake. When you will actually have something to say, get back to me. But for that, you will need to grow up a bit.
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johncg25 — 9 years ago(February 12, 2017 04:26 AM)
Its very easy: its nonsense written by a screenwriter. They are trying to sell tickets, and did. How else do you end an alien movie when they have been done so many times before..uhOKlets do some nonsense about time travel and ideas and show her kid alot and show language stuff blah blahinteresting ideas, completely unrealistic in how it is done in the film. Even if they could tell the future, they can't implant MEMORIES of the future into her head. Its not possible. All they could do is maybe write out their language and convey that even a novels worth in a few seconds, but not actual moments of human memory. Butthat would not be as interesting on film so they wanted to get some nice cinematography and show the little kid and some nice nature shots and blah blah blahcomplete nonsense by the ending.
I liked most of the movie but the ending was pretty stupid and just nonsense by a screenwriter to sell ticketsto unintelligent human beingsabout things imagined by a screenwriterwhose job is to write imaginary thingsto sell movie tickets lol -
king_of_bob — 9 years ago(February 12, 2017 07:25 AM)
- The aliens can see the future and don't experience time in a linear way, but they fail to see the future to avoid Costello being killed by the bomb.
They don't technically "see the future." They can access their memories from other points in time. Unlike humans, who can only access memories of events we experienced in the past, they can access memories that have technically yet to occur if we consider the "present" as our frame of reference.
They didn't "fail to see" the bomb. They knew it was part of the sequence of events and let it happen anyway. Exactly like how Amy ends up getting married and having a child, even though she knows that child is just going to end up dying due to illness.
Think of them like Doctor Manhattan. One would think his ability to experience the past, present and future simultaneously would be an advantage, but it isn't. In this movie and Watchmen, perception of future events doesn't necessarily mean one can change that outcome. In this movie we don't know if one can change the future by making different choices, but in Watchmen, Dr. Manhattan admits he can only do what he's predestined to do. In his words "I'm just a puppet who can see his strings." - Holy Space-Time Continuum Batman! Paradox: She tells the Chinese general the words of his dying wife because he repeats the words to her in the future because she told him the words in the past because he tells her the words in the future because wait, what?
No paradox. It only appears that way because of how humans perceive time as a linear sequence of cause and effect. But the movie takes the position that this isn't how time actually operates. Like Kyle Reese being John Conners father in The Terminator, cause can appear to proceed effect without producing a paradox. - She knows his husband will leave her if she tells him his daughter will die, but she does it anyway.
She chooses to have his and their daughters love, knowing the pain it will ultimately lead to. She tells him because she feels guilty, and she kind of should. She made the choice to have a child she knows will die at a young age, but she kept that information from him. She essentially subjected him to a future of pain based on knowledge she had but he did not.
Some aliens arrive and a linguist deciphers their language learning to see the future in the process.
Again, she's not really "seeing the future." She's remembering events that haven't yet occurred from the perspective of her relative present.
it's an OK movie, slow and boring but I've seen worse. What bothers me ar the IMDB and Metacritic scores.
There's a reason for the ratings. While the basic story is pretty easy to figure out, there's a lot going on thematically and it plays with some pretty heady concepts, like how language affects our perception.
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- The aliens can see the future and don't experience time in a linear way, but they fail to see the future to avoid Costello being killed by the bomb.
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philoj — 9 years ago(February 12, 2017 10:42 PM)
Holy Space-Time Continuum Batman! Paradox: She tells the Chinese general the words of his dying wife because he repeats the words to her in the future because she told him the words in the past because he tells her the words in the future because wait, what?
This is actually a bedrock scenario in time-travel lore. It's called "The Bootstrap Paradox" and I'll let Doctor Who explain it to you:
Using it in the movie was a very intentional device, not a plot hole.
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scottlebowski — 9 years ago(February 13, 2017 05:15 AM)
The Bootstrap Paradox may be a well known trope, but is still a paradox. i.e. It has no logical answer. This is not very satisfying for the viewer. Plus, introducing the Mother/daughter relationship BEFORE she met the aliens and started learning the "time language" is a narrative cheat that makes no sense, except to fool the audience to payoff the ending. It was a gift FROM the filmmakers TO themselves. Narratively, it makes NO sense to have her with her daughter at the beginning. She has no daughter yet, and no gift of seeing non-linear yet, because she has not met the aliens, nor learned the time language.
The bit with General in the future is just makes no logical sense at all.
And don't get me started on the Hollywood "standard issue" crisis in the last half of the second act. Of course a rogue military man wants to sabotage everything to up the drama for convenience (SEE Jake Busey's character in CONTACT. same thing).
Aside from a few flourishes, and a skewed delivery - this is very much a cookie cutter Hollywood film.
This just crystalizes again what a timeless classic CLOSE ENCOUNTERS is. No film has ever done this story better than that one.