Ok so why did she still had her daugther ? because i feel it wasn't needed at all to pass on the ''Alien'' language.
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KiloOne — 9 years ago(February 04, 2017 07:58 PM)
Ok so why did she still had her daugther ? because i feel it wasn't needed at all to pass on the ''Alien'' language.
And she sees the future but does that mean now people will have a fate of their own and cannot do anything differently to change it? just accept it ? well that sucks .
And even if she can do things differently i'd assume there are infinite futures and she could see every outcome on her decisions then ? well that sucks also, you can choose the most desireble outcomes and it just feels like you're cheating. But anyway this can't work externally cause other people would to their own choises hence altering your future so seeing the future wouldn't be of much use because every future you'll see are like ''fake news''
So begs the question why proceed with this ? either ways on how this would work sucks if it was me i'd say to hell with humanity and 3000 years later lol, it could be cool if you glance a little in the future and wonder how it got there but still, i think it's not cool the fun thing about life is we don't know what will happen that's what keeps me going if i knew i'd overcome everything it wouldn't have much meaning or if i'd be bound to an unpleasent fate it's like in the movie Mr.nobody ''as long as you don't choose everything remains possible'' . -
Exies — 9 years ago(February 04, 2017 08:21 PM)
The point wasn't about changing her daughter's future but cherishing her daughter despite the ending. Even if you were always destined to lose someone, your loss doesn't take away the experiences you've gained.
We humans can't see the future but we can cherish the time we do have with one another.
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KiloOne — 9 years ago(February 04, 2017 08:46 PM)
True Exie i think i really just deslike her decision lol and giving that the movie focused more on ''would you do it if you knew ?'' than what i really wanted wich was why they needed help in 3000 years later
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Exies — 9 years ago(February 04, 2017 08:54 PM)
I think we all take away different meanings sometimes. For me, having lost a few close people, it was about appreciation for what's had and not was is "promised". Society and cultural ideas promise a lot sometimes. Relationships don't always last, people die, and change always comes but the moments you get are what matter. Not the moments you want.
That was my take away. She wouldn't trade knowing her daughter for the world even if the story does have a sad ending.
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frogge-203-814616 — 9 years ago(February 05, 2017 10:45 AM)
I'm really glad you feel the same. I was very touched by the ending. Most of all, because knowing all the things to come and to go for it anyway takes a real strong character. A commitment to unconditional love always requires a commitment to the eventuality to loose somebody, either through death or end of the relationship. I was really touched, because i think i wouldn't be that brave, or better determined. I think the movie was more a character study, and the story behind is not that bad. If you expect sci-fi action than better go watch "independence day", but if you're open for an deeper understanding of human emotion you are welcome to watch it.
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inf-536-128350 — 9 years ago(February 13, 2017 02:35 PM)
hahaha, i hope deeper understanding of human emotion doesn't necessarily involve Bill-And-Ted-like time-travelling tricks like a trashcan, we really NEED a trashcan like when persuading the chinese ruler to withdraw from conflict with his own words from the future. wow, that's just some lazy writing. it doesn't make the intended depth all too plausible. or are you trying to make the point that these shenanigans are an indicator that all of this alien stuff is in fact all happening in her mind only?
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Mistah-J — 9 years ago(February 05, 2017 10:51 AM)
The fact that she can choose whether to have her daughter or not is what's troubling me.
I believe that she doesn't have the choice and the movie's ending making it ambiguous was a bit stretching.
I chose that she can't change her daughter's destiny, because that's what makes far better movie for me. -
Exies — 9 years ago(February 05, 2017 11:25 AM)
In some ways, it would be very hard for them to present you an answer because "free will" versus determinism is still debated from people in many categories of ideology (quatum physics, physics, philosophy, theocracy, etc).
For them to make some kind of objective point to the subject would be kind of betraying the topic itself. I don't mind ambiguous in the realm of the unknowable or things we don't currently understand.
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Mistah-J — 9 years ago(February 05, 2017 12:14 PM)
I can partially buy that.
Although I do believe that current understanding among physicists is that changing the past is impossible. Just like it would be if she has the choice to give birth or not. That would violate every natural law we have.
I totally get the artistic approach to this, but it's a bit of a stretch to buy that she can manipulate the future from the past experience, merely because she learned the alien language.
So I believe that she knew that she can't change anything and simply accepted it as it is in the end. -
Exies — 9 years ago(February 05, 2017 12:21 PM)
Perfectly valid way to interpret the movie.
On the subject of time, our understanding of time is based around our subjective perception of it. Time can appear to speed up or slow down. I agree it is a bit of a stretch one can experience their consciousness at varying degrees of their timeline solely based on learning to interpret alien language but she was also exposed to their atmosphere when she visited them alone, which I took to mean had an affect on her brain for immediate purposes.
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horsecoach4hire — 9 years ago(February 08, 2017 10:43 AM)
Well said. The point was to remind her of the love and life with her daughter, rather than the heartache of the loss of both her daughter and husband (husband leaves her).
Oddly enough, they chose to change the daughter's age and cause of death from the original storymy guess is to make it easier for viewers to know that she couldn't change her daughter's fate of illness, but in the short story, she could tell her daughter not to go to the mountains. (daughter is 25 when she dies in the short story due to an accident on a mountain) -
iSkyWalKing — 9 years ago(February 07, 2017 09:28 PM)
Ulghan gets it..This is the main reason I choose not to have kids. I'm 36 (male) and I don't feel the need to pro-create what-so-ever. If I had a 'choice' in the matter myself, I would simply choose not to have ever existed. I can't be alone in this thought process I'm sureWhy bring someone into this world just to suffer and die in the end? I can understand the argument that life in and of itself is worth the experience. But if you never existed to begin with, what difference does it make? Life IS suffering whether we like to admit that or not, with very rare moments of bliss and serenity peppered through-out. But it is grossly imbalanced. We choose to be optimistic because we never had or will have a say in the matter. The whole experience seems rather sinister to me to be honest
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xellos49698 — 9 years ago(February 05, 2017 02:37 PM)
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Louise choose to embrace her future rather then change it. Louise knows that she will experience a lot of tragedy, but that she will also have a tremendous amount of happiness too.
I suppose with her now understanding the Alien Language she could have seen her future with someone else. And maybe that child wouldn't have been born with an incurable disease.
However, it is clear that at the end she wanted those experiences, both good and bad.
And who knows? It hasn't technically happen yet, so maybe Louise can still live that life and change things in other ways. She could start a movement / fund raising at medical university to start looking for a cure for the disease that takes her daughters life.
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l-13746 — 9 years ago(February 06, 2017 05:02 PM)
Once she understood the language, time wasn't linear to her anymore. She didn't have future, present or past. She lived everything in a non linear way (past, present and future don't happen one after another). Which is what we see in the movie. She can experience any point in time.
From the beginning we see the story as it happened a snapshot of a timeline. This means she choose that she wanted a baby. This just happened and we see the result in the movie. We see her choices taking effect throughout the movie.
Impression I got the future, present and past is ever changing. That's why she has to speak to General Shang in the future before she can talk to him in the past. And probably that's why aliens needed our help in the future.
If she was trying to change the future, that would be just another The Butterfly Effect. Which it isn't. That's why one of the aliens dies and stay dead, same for the daughter. The movies explains how happened what happened and what choices affect what.