Ok so why did she still had her daugther ? because i feel it wasn't needed at all to pass on the ''Alien'' language.
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iSkyWalKing — 9 years ago(February 07, 2017 09:28 PM)
Ulghan gets it..This is the main reason I choose not to have kids. I'm 36 (male) and I don't feel the need to pro-create what-so-ever. If I had a 'choice' in the matter myself, I would simply choose not to have ever existed. I can't be alone in this thought process I'm sureWhy bring someone into this world just to suffer and die in the end? I can understand the argument that life in and of itself is worth the experience. But if you never existed to begin with, what difference does it make? Life IS suffering whether we like to admit that or not, with very rare moments of bliss and serenity peppered through-out. But it is grossly imbalanced. We choose to be optimistic because we never had or will have a say in the matter. The whole experience seems rather sinister to me to be honest
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xellos49698 — 9 years ago(February 05, 2017 02:37 PM)
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Louise choose to embrace her future rather then change it. Louise knows that she will experience a lot of tragedy, but that she will also have a tremendous amount of happiness too.
I suppose with her now understanding the Alien Language she could have seen her future with someone else. And maybe that child wouldn't have been born with an incurable disease.
However, it is clear that at the end she wanted those experiences, both good and bad.
And who knows? It hasn't technically happen yet, so maybe Louise can still live that life and change things in other ways. She could start a movement / fund raising at medical university to start looking for a cure for the disease that takes her daughters life.
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l-13746 — 9 years ago(February 06, 2017 05:02 PM)
Once she understood the language, time wasn't linear to her anymore. She didn't have future, present or past. She lived everything in a non linear way (past, present and future don't happen one after another). Which is what we see in the movie. She can experience any point in time.
From the beginning we see the story as it happened a snapshot of a timeline. This means she choose that she wanted a baby. This just happened and we see the result in the movie. We see her choices taking effect throughout the movie.
Impression I got the future, present and past is ever changing. That's why she has to speak to General Shang in the future before she can talk to him in the past. And probably that's why aliens needed our help in the future.
If she was trying to change the future, that would be just another The Butterfly Effect. Which it isn't. That's why one of the aliens dies and stay dead, same for the daughter. The movies explains how happened what happened and what choices affect what. -
steven-rick-garcia — 9 years ago(February 08, 2017 05:01 AM)
If we just forget about the movie and think about time as we know it and the butterfly effect as someone previously mentioned.
Louise has a choice:
IF she chooses not to have her daughter, then things would change and the future she had seen would be gone. General Shang never gives Louise his private phone number and Louise never gains his trust with his wife's dying words, thus creating a timeline that could never exist.
With the knowledge of the future, do you choose to change events for selfish reasons and possibly undo past events? Or do you continue on with what you know is "supposed to happen", save humanity, and eventually help out an alien race in 3000 years? -
barttp — 9 years ago(February 10, 2017 02:26 AM)
I guess the concept is that you can SEE the future but you cannot change it. Which makes sense, because if you could change it, it wouldn't be your future anymore.
She just learns to perceive time in a non-linear way, which means that she can see the future the same way we can remember our past. What she sees in the future influences her decision in the present time just like, for everybody else, past events influence present events. But just because you know your past and that past influences your decisions in the present, it doesn't mean that you can change your past right? The same is with the future. The future influences her actions (like the phone call to the Chinese army leader) but it does so in a way, as if it already happened and was a part of the past. It makes full circle.
It's like the first part of The Terminator - Kyle gets sent back to protect Sarah, so that she can give birth to John, but if he hadn't been sent, she wouldn't give birth to John in the first place. They just have the impression that they're making choices, but in fact it's all part of one timeline that already happened and cannot be changed.
So, for me, her choice to have the child even though she knows the child will die, isn't really a choice. She may think it's a choice, but it's always meant to be that way.
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Neuronhead — 9 years ago(February 11, 2017 09:35 PM)
There's a theory that says that all time was created at the big bang. We experience it in one direction only. We don't have the ability to "see" it. We only know this theoretically.
The movie relies on this.
When you look at the past, all the things you did, you did by choice. But they are now fixed in the past. In the same way, even if the future is fixed, you will still use your choice to create that future.
It's not intuitive to know the relationship between fixed time and what we perceive as choice. It seems like a paradox. But it's only our lack of ability to perceive time as a dimension that makes it seem paradoxical.
Language changes how we think. The aliens' language will help us to know how to think this way.
The point of the daughter was to make us, and possibly the mother, think that she was "remembering" the past, until we realise she was remembering the future.
The aliens had given her that ability, which she was then able to use to put in motion the events that would ultimately help the aliens in the future. They needed humanity to work as one, and to understand at a different level than we currently do, which keeps humanity separated and unable to progress to the next level of "enlightenment" (for want of a better word).
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swords-at-dawn — 9 years ago(February 12, 2017 11:04 AM)
I'm thinking the whole Sapir-Whorf Hypothesis reference to language changing the way we perceive the world is important here. If, after learning their language, you can perceive time like the aliens apparently do , then I imagine concepts like "fate", "future", even perhaps "choice" and "accept" become irrelevant - they just evaporate because all is in the "now". Sounds very Zen.