yeah those are better executed films. i guess it's just because i am more of a sucker for sci fi movies
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bensfiction — 9 years ago(November 15, 2016 05:33 AM)
Hey, didn't read the whole thread so I'm not sure if this was answered, but to answer number 3 you have to understand this sort of plays into their non linear time and sort of creates a predestination paradox. Basically she understood reading their language from the first shop because she was able to look at time like they do and jump to the future where humanity had banded together and shared the language and she would know the whole thing, remember she says she knows it after her vision of opening her book assuming that we all shared knowledge. Hope this helps
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arrgh-46956 — 9 years ago(November 15, 2016 05:43 AM)
I can get why you felt cheated by the plot holes. But I think they were there for a reason. I think the director wanted to leave a few things unexplained so that viewers could form their own perceptions of the story. That's what makes a good sci-fi, I reckon; one that gets you thinking. It's like Stanley Yelnats said at the end of Holes: "I guess you'll have to fill in the rest of the holes yourself."
I seem to recall Stanley Kubrick employing a similar technique to his adaptation of The Shining. And few deny that THAT'S a first-class movie, so why should we slake Arrival for it? -
svalinanikola — 9 years ago(November 15, 2016 05:47 AM)
That's not what a plot hole is. Plot hole is something like: OK, imagine if it's established in some movie that there's this special glass that can't be broken by anything, but later in the movie it gets broken so the characters can get out and it's never explained why they were able to do it. The movie broke its internal logic, therefore' that's a plot hole.
Things that are left unexplained in this movie are just that, things that are left unexplained, they're not "plot holes".
I seem to recall Stanley Kubrick employing a similar technique to his adaptation of The Shining. And few deny that THAT'S a first-class movie, so why should we slake Arrival for it?
Oh, I definitely agree with this. Certain things in The Shining make a little more sense only if you read the book (it's not necessary, but it does explain certain details, like the guy in a bear suit). -
arrgh-46956 — 9 years ago(November 15, 2016 06:37 AM)
Thanks for the correction. I must have gotten confused due to Stanley Yelnats having metaphorically referred to the use of a not-totally-explained ending by using the word "holes"; that must've created a false association or something!
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rvpals — 9 years ago(November 16, 2016 07:32 AM)
I totally agreed with you here.
All the unanswered questions really bring down the movie as a whole. I was very disappointed after I saw the movie last night.
It's ok for Sci-Fi to not have answers, but not when you kept string people along as if there's going to be some big reveal at the end, and it did not happen. That kills the viewer's faith in your movie.
All good questions that they try to have you believe that they're going to answer eventually, but answer never come.- Why 12? and why the 12 located where they are.
- Why does Louis have the ability to have vision about future?
- Why do the aliens just leave?
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svalinanikola — 9 years ago(November 16, 2016 07:41 AM)
- Why 12? and why the 12 located where they are.
- Why does Louis have the ability to have vision about future?
- Why do the aliens just leave?
All of those questions have been answered in the movie, though.
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svalinanikola — 9 years ago(November 16, 2016 07:52 AM)
When they decode the sentence, they realize it relates to the concept of time and that the one they recieved is only one twelfth of the intended whole.
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Frostbite22 — 9 years ago(November 16, 2016 06:32 PM)
I enjoyed the movie quite a bit, albeit different than I originally thought I would. For example I also went in hoping for more "SCI/FI" and ended up getting too much emotional baggage thrown in there, but it still was a good movie.
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aznxscorpion517 — 9 years ago(November 17, 2016 12:50 PM)
Since the movie is about the human condition and specifically Louise those questions are not important to the story. Maybe they are important to you and you would like answers and that's fine but they didn't need to be answered in terms of the story. Hear me out.
- 12 sites. Could have 13. Could have been 11. Could have been random. If those sites were in any other place how would it change any major plot points? General Shang would have been General Hamilton instead? General Morimoto? General Guerrero?
- Aliens arrive and by the end of the film we know they came to give us the tool of their language. Louise and likely the rest of humanity will eventually gain the ability to perceive time as nonlinear. I don't think they needed to tell us they needed our help 3000 years from now but they did so whatever fine. If they didn't tell us the 3000 years thing how would it change any major plot points? If they did tell us why they need our help in 3000 years (disease, war, traveling to other worlds) how would it change any major events to the movie we actually saw? Louise still learns the language, prevents a potential tragedy. We learn the twist as we were supposed to. Basically same movie.
- Others and I answered this question previously.
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C-Younkin — 9 years ago(November 17, 2016 09:47 PM)
Yeah, I thought so much of this movie just seemed like they were throwing ideas in there but then tries to do some misdirect with that lame directors trick of going backwards and forwards in time and giving us a really contrived and ridiculous ending. This isn't great sci-fi. A movie like Contact for example will inspire debate and questions. This just simplistically tells us stuff (like we need to communicate more) before moving to the next idea.
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james-mac — 9 years ago(November 18, 2016 05:41 PM)
"Science fiction, good science fiction, is a special kind of genre that is about answering questions with our current understanding of Physics, and making predictions about where science is headed."
Who says? Fahrenheit 451 is not about physics but is considered a science fiction classic. Where did you get this idea? -
doorclosed321 — 9 years ago(November 18, 2016 05:58 PM)
In this movie humans perception of time doesn't alter per se, it ceases to exist.
1)obviously this happens becuase they were helped by a unified humanity and them coming to earth was the catalyst for the humanity unification. The movie also explains that language is the barrier that separates us on earth, becuase each language shapes it's speakers view of reality differently so they can never agree. By being here and learning a new language called the universal language, now all humanity can speak one language, breaking down both barriers and their opening their eyes to a more accurate nature of reality.
2)when they say they'll need help in 3000 years time, what they really meant was they'd already had help from humans 3000 years from now, even while they were still on earth preparing earth to to help them. They only said they need help in 3000 years because that's how humans would currently understand it.
3)they didn't plan to bring 12 ships, they didn't plan anything. Even before they'd brought 12 ships they'd already brought 12 ships and that couldn't be changed. Everything that happens in this movie has already happened and nobody had any choice in anything. Everything that does happened was meant ho happen and will happened again infinitely. -
vampypiano — 9 years ago(January 08, 2017 05:56 AM)
You're missing the point of the movie. The aliens are not important, the other characters are not important, Louise is important. At its core, this is a character study that raises one philosophical question. The aliens were never supposed to be the focus, and much less their techinology and how they come to earth. It's not that kind of movie.