did he rape Nina?
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drgnndblls88 — 9 years ago(September 21, 2016 12:38 PM)
as far as I can see your example is not that different from example three. she's forced to comply with his demands because he's threatening to take something she needs away from her, similiarly to ex) 3. she's just doing what he wants because of his implicit threats.
"it is not rape because she makes a choice" the woman in example two and three also make the choice and say yes to everything the man demands, but it's still rape. how does the Lou + Nina thing differ is what I'm asking. seriously, I'm not on a witch hunt I want to know what you think makes that difference.
also very important point you brought up, woman's sexual "needs". sex is not a need, like eating/drinking food/water or breathing air or going number one or two, you don't die without sex. sex is a want. she already rejected him sexually, i.e. she doesn't want to have sex with him, but she still from all appearances complies with his his demands. -
TxMike — 9 years ago(September 21, 2016 01:48 PM)
Four and Three are quite different. In your Three he is taking away things she already has, in my Four he would be threading to quit giving her things, things she does not yet have.
In truth if any of these happened to real people and it went to trial for rape, a jury would hear evidence and deliver a verdict. You can't write out fictitious scenarios and know for sure. Mindset of the man and the woman at the time of the sexual encounter is also important.
In the fictitious scenario in this movie, if she accused him of rape and I were on the trial jury I'd most likely find "not guilty" based only on what we know from viewing the movie.
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jl-39962 — 9 years ago(November 14, 2016 04:38 AM)
You're confused on several fronts.
First off, sex is a far greater need than any particular job. Nina can always find another job, even if it's lower paying. If she can't, she can go on unemployment, and ultimately welfare. Hell, she's close to retirement age and social security, and has made good money for many years in a high-paid industry. She's not going to starve.
Second, you're missing the fact that in example 3, the person is threatening to take away (criminally steal) stuff that's already hers, and that she needs for some reason. (Although most of those instances wouldn't be rape either.) In this example, Lou is the person who GAVE her those things in the first place. Threatening to take back something you're giving actually to simply not give any more - is hardly comparable to threatening to steal something from someone.
You really need to view things more clearly. This is the kind of wacky liberal thinking that leads SJW's to claim that someone is "denying" someone something every time they don't give it to them freely. -
drgnndblls88 — 9 years ago(September 20, 2016 08:52 AM)
do you think what he wanted from her wasn't sex? the dialogue in the movie makes it clear to me that's what he's asking for and he won't take no for an answer. since he does continue selling footage to her it's obvious that she complied with that, if not all of his demands.
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dprudisail — 9 years ago(September 20, 2016 11:53 PM)
No he did not rape her, he used his leverage that their station was one of the lowest rated and since he arrived has increased. It's more so prostitution, not rape since it is consensual. He basically gives her the choice to start a "relationship" or he'll deliver his content somewhere else.
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drgnndblls88 — 9 years ago(September 21, 2016 12:40 PM)
this is copy+pasted because I basically have the same response to the other poster.
so as an example, a man approaches a woman and makes it clear he has sexual intentions. in return, she makes it clear that she is rejecting him. he overpowers her physically and forces himself on her. this is obviously rape, right?
example two, a man approaches a woman in the same way, she rejects him in the same way. he threatens her with a gun, knife, etc whatever and says "if you don't say yes to whatever I want to you, I will kill you/maim you/beat you/kill a member of your family/whatever etc". She then says yes, he does whatever he wants to her, and she says yes to everything he does every step of the way. he gave her a choice and she says yes. this is clearly still rape?
example three, same thing, man approaches woman, she rejects him. he doesn't threaten her directly or overtly, but say, threatens to take all her money, her car, her job, kidnap her kid, etc whatever, something of that nature, with the same deal, she has to say yes to him. she does so, consents to everything that he does to her. again he gave her the choice, she could have said no. is this still rape to you?
basically, where do you draw the line? that's what I'm interested in, it's something that I became curious about after watching the movie. -
dprudisail — 9 years ago(September 21, 2016 01:51 PM)
All of those are rape since they are taking away what she already owns/using physical violence. If someone won't do something for you because you won't have sex with them it isn't rape.
If you applied for your job, became the best there and quit because your manager wouldn't have sex with you that isn't rape, that's just being A dirtbag. There's the line. -
dprudisail — 9 years ago(September 21, 2016 01:52 PM)
A husband and wife are together for 10 years, one day she decides she never wants to have sex again. He says he can't stay in this relationship if we can't have sex, so he leaves her. Exact situation, not rape.
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TxMike — 9 years ago(September 21, 2016 02:19 PM)
In that particular example she could then change her mind to keep her husband, in fact agree to continue with weekly sex. That would ot be rape.
If instead he became angry with her and forced her to have sex then it would be rape. At least on MY jury.
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TxMike — 9 years ago(September 22, 2016 07:27 PM)
To anyone else who may read this whole thread, it appears that "drgnndblls88", who started this thread, has disappeared after not getting the answer she wanted. It seems she wanted for viewers to say that Lou demanding a sexual relationship was indeed "rape" but it would not be, she made what amounts to a business deal, give Lou something he wanted and in return he would not take his results to a competitor.
Yes, "drgnndblls88" is female, by her own description an Asian-American woman. You suppose "drgnndblls88" stands for "dragon balls 1988" and she would be 28 years old?
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jl-39962 — 9 years ago(November 14, 2016 04:28 AM)
Of course not. He didn't even sexually harass her, as he was not her employer/supervisor, or even a co-worker.
She chose to sleep with him to maintain a preferred business relationship with him, period.
Anyone who confuses this with rape has no idea what real rape is.
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MosquitoMagnet — 9 years ago(November 22, 2016 05:50 PM)
He threatened that he'd go to the competitors from now on (even if they paid him less than she offered) should she not have sex with him and also "kindly" reminded her how much she needs his footages to keep her job (since her two years are almost up and good ratings is what she needs to keep her job), that's sexual harassment/coercion. It's not true that only your employer can or has the power to sexually harass you.
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bubblenator — 9 years ago(November 26, 2016 05:40 PM)
It's not true that only your employer can or has the power to sexually harass you.
Bullsh.t, Lou was an INDEPENDENT CONTRACTOR not an employee of KWLA News so he is free to take his videos (his business) to the highest bidder. He had leverage over her because KWLA had the lowest TV ratings, she was coming up to the end of her 2 year contract and needed something substantial to get a new contract which Lou knew.
It was HER that threw away her morals and ethics by deciding to sleep with him for her career! Also Lou was very smart in his conversation in there was no direct "you either sleep with me tonight or I never come back with any more videos"!
She didn't have a metaphorical gun to her head nor could she complain to her TV Station's HR Department for sexual harassment! It was a business agreement with a shady under the table stipulation but she was desperate! It was ALL HER call!
If you are not willing to give up everything, you have already lost