biden is responsible for continued war in Ukraine
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Robgoblin — 3 years ago(September 25, 2022 12:23 PM)
I live about an hours plane ride from Russia. It’s not inconsequential. And the people dying in this conflict did so for nothing more than a mad dictators ambition. On both sides. And yes, that is tragic. Which all conflicts are. Do I care more about this one than others? Naturally. It’s close to me.
But I wouldn’t go so far as “outraged”. that seem to be more your thing, coming in here all hot and bothered.
But do continue, cos its hella entertaining!
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ToastedCheese — 3 years ago(September 25, 2022 12:32 PM)
No thanks I’m good.
So why the outrage? It is not affecting majority of the world, only corrupt dumpster Ukraine and is made out to be more than what it is for dubious NATO/US political agendas.
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Robgoblin — 3 years ago(September 25, 2022 12:50 PM)
Ah ok, so that’s what it is, thank you captain tinfoil. Now it’s crystal clear! Lol. I didn’t think there were people more retarded and brain washed than Soul Venom on this board. But god dammit, we have a winner!
But which way is it tho, cos you said earlier that it was just a war for territory?
But now it’s just Ukraine being corrupt, and I guess, being liberated by the kind Russians right? And oh, NATO is the bad guy here, despite invading ca exactly zero Russian countries.
Just kill yourself, you’ll feel so much better.
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ToastedCheese — 3 years ago(September 25, 2022 12:53 PM)
NATO is as corrupt as **** and they didn't even want Ukraine in it because it didn't come up to scratch, because it is a ****hole.
It is being used as a ruse to stir hatred towards Russia. This is a political power game and most Russians wouldn't even care.
If Trump had won the election, this wouldn't be happening.
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WarrenPeace — 3 years ago(September 26, 2022 08:57 PM)
"Russia is responsible."
They are responsible for what they have done just as the US is responsible for what it has done which is keeping the war and the death and destruction going which includes the killing of civilians.
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Robgoblin — 3 years ago(September 26, 2022 09:27 PM)
You mean giving the Ukraine a fighting chance against tyranny and evil?
and its not only the US, pretty much the entire civilised world have sent aid and weapons to the Ukraine. Cos they recognise the absolute atrocities committed by Russia.
But youre saying, they should be left fending for themselves right?
i knew you were a ****ed up piece of human garbage Warren, especially with your little posts about weird sexual fantasies. But its nice to have it confirmed again.
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WarrenPeace — 3 years ago(September 29, 2022 04:23 PM)
"and its not only the US, pretty much the entire civilised world have sent aid and weapons to the Ukraine."
How much and what did they send?
Have they sent nearly as much as what America has sent and only weapons of destruction?
Have any other countries, besides the US, convinced Ukraine to back out of any peace deals with Russia which prolongs the war and increases civilian casualties?
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Robgoblin — 3 years ago(September 29, 2022 04:58 PM)
Wtf are you talking about? There are no peace deals. Putin hasn’t offered a single peace deal. They invaded and went straight for Kyiv, their capital. Meaning they wanted to end Ukraine and replace Zelensky and install a puppet loyal to Russia. But they got their assed kicked cos Russia is just a bunch of incompetent clowns with **** for gear and weapons.
And the US hasn’t “convinced” the Ukraine of anything. They like others have aided them to themselves form an invasion. Are you ****ing retarded Warren?
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WarrenPeace — 3 years ago(September 29, 2022 05:39 PM)
For those who say negotiations are impossible, we have only to look at the talks that took place during the first month after the Russian invasion, when Russia and Ukraine tentatively agreed to a 15-point peace plan in talks mediated by Turkey. Details were not fully worked out, but the framework and the political will appeared to be there.
Russia was prepared to withdraw from all of Ukraine, except for Crimea and the self-declared republics in Donbas. Ukraine was ready to renounce future membership in NATO and adopt a position of neutrality between Russia and NATO.
The agreed framework provided for political transitions in Crimea and Donbas that both sides would accept and recognize, based on self-determination for the people of those regions. The future security of Ukraine was to be guaranteed by a group of other countries, but Ukraine would not host foreign military bases on its territory.
On March 27, President Zelenskyy told a national TV audience, "Our goal is obvious — peace and the restoration of normal life in our native state as soon as possible." He laid out his "red lines" for the negotiations in that televised speech to reassure his people he would not concede too much, and he promised them a referendum on the neutrality agreement before it would take effect.
Such early success for a peace initiative was no surprise to conflict resolution specialists. The best chance for a negotiated peace settlement is generally during the first months of a war. Each month a war rages on offers reduced chances for peace, as each side highlights the atrocities of the other, hostility becomes entrenched and positions harden.
The abandonment of that early peace initiative stands as one of the great tragedies of this conflict, and the full scale of that tragedy will only become clear over time as the war rages on and its dreadful consequences accumulate.
Ukrainian and Turkish sources have revealed that the U.K. and U.S. governments played decisive roles in torpedoing those early prospects for peace. During then-British Prime Minister Boris Johnson's "surprise visit" to Kyiv on April 9, he reportedly told Zelenskyy that the U.K. was "in it for the long run," that it would not be party to any agreement between Russia and Ukraine, and that the "collective West" saw a chance to "press" Russia and was determined to make the most of it.
The same message was reiterated by Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin, who followed Johnson to Kyiv on April 25 and made it clear that the U.S. and NATO were no longer just trying to help Ukraine defend itself but were now committed to using the war to "weaken" Russia. Turkish diplomats told retired British diplomat Craig Murray that these messages from the U.S. and Britain killed their otherwise promising efforts to mediate a ceasefire and a diplomatic resolution.
https://www.salon.com/2022/09/07/in-ukraine-rages-on-with-no-end-in-sight--peace-talks-are-essential/
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