I see many posts proclaiming its maturity but no evidence.
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Flamboyant_Little_Devil — 9 years ago(January 11, 2017 04:20 AM)
the DCEU handles it better.
I respect your opinion, though I see the MCU handling it with a lot of thought [Civil War, Iron Man, Captain America, Winter Soldier, Age of Ultron they all talk about responsibility for ones' actions and what the world is concerned]
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steph-99824 — 9 years ago(January 09, 2017 07:23 AM)
The DCEU shows that it's heroes are not perfect and they do not have all the right answers.
And the MCU doesn't ?
Everything you said, the MCU does it, a lot better, by having actual nuances. But every DCEU movie so far just rides on the same horse from beginning to the end.
Thor 1 is literally just about punishing the character who thought he was almighty, and that same character actually almost died before being deemed worthy. In subsequent movies he eventually showed some wisdom that he gained from this experience.
Captain America movies show how a vastly superior human being is still struggling to find his place among society and how the loss of loved ones affects him.
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CichlidAsh — 9 years ago(January 09, 2017 07:33 AM)
I guess it depends on what you think of as being a more mature subject a lot of the characters in DCEU to one extent or another seem to have issues based around parenting. While in the MCU arrogance, alcoholism and rage are obviously some of the issues addressed. Make your mind up which you think is the more mature but please don't get distracted from the fact that we are watching a film about men dressed up in rubber and latex and if any of you were really interested in mature subjects then much better films address these issues than any CBM.
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Phantom_Panther — 9 years ago(January 09, 2017 07:36 AM)
I guess it depends on what you think of as being a more mature subject a lot of the characters in DCEU to one extent or another seem to have issues based around parenting.
As well as searching for a purpose in life, identity, fear and mistrust, PTSD etc.
While in the MCU arrogance, alcoholism and rage are obviously some of the issues addressed. Make your mind up which you think is the more mature but please don't get distracted from the fact that we are watching a film about men dressed up in rubber and latex and if any of you were really interested in mature subjects then much better films address these issues than any CBM.
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steph-99824 — 9 years ago(January 09, 2017 07:46 AM)
please don't get distracted from the fact that we are watching a film about men dressed up in rubber and latex
Oh I never forget about that. The beauty of the MCU is that you can enjoy their movies on various aspects, there's definitely some "mature" issues addressed but that's not where they're putting all their efforts on. It's just there, and the audience is free to care for it or not
The DCEU on the other hand just feels like it's trying to forcefeed you with its so-called seriousness. -
Phantom_Panther — 9 years ago(January 09, 2017 07:43 AM)
YMMV, but I've found he MCU's approach is to shine a light on the heroes' flaws and then ignore them when it is convenient. The Iron Man movies are basically of the opinion that advanced technology should be left in the hands of an unstable billionaire, Ant-Man Ant-Man threw all subtlety out the window regarding ways of keeping revolutionary tech only in the hands of the designated heroes, and just went for sabotaging the competition. Any philosophical opponent Steve Rogers has is made into a mustache twirler or confused peon.
After that, the uncivil divorce stacked the deck so as to present the side favoring the status quo with the slightest chance of looking in the right - the opposition was headed by everyone's favorite military strawman, the discussion swerved straight for Steve and Tony's feelz rather than the global aspects of the issue, and the only casualty of the final fight was by friendly fire, because any other outcome would've stripped all sympathy from team Steve.
Superman and Batman in MoS and BvS are shown to have flaws that even they are aware of to an extent (Bruce actually admits he's a criminal) and the issue in BvS wasn't subverted as just a problem only the villain had with Superman but one everyone else did and understandably so. -
Kyos — 9 years ago(January 09, 2017 07:36 AM)
The DCEU shows that it's heroes are not perfect and they do not have all the right answers. It shows that just having abilities other people do not, you are not inherently superior to them and should not be awarded special snowflake status.
That's, like, pretty much 100% the MCU you're describing there.
So when MOS ditched the traditional two person love triangle, this was an early sign of Superman's very intentional humanization.
two person love triangle
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Phantom_Panther — 9 years ago(January 09, 2017 07:47 AM)
That's, like, pretty much 100% the MCU you're describing there.
Well, it's my opinion and feel free to disagree, that the DCEU does it better.
What?
I was referring to the tendency of having Superman keep his identity a secret from Lois and her pining after Superman but ignoring Clark kent who she doesn't know is Superman. That was a silly, outdated trope and I'm glad Snyder avoided it. -
Oubliette-Midas — 9 years ago(January 09, 2017 07:30 AM)
It's not more mature. However, it is more serious (a quality overwhelmingly associated with maturity). I find the DCEU, and its characters overwhelmingly brooding and quite literally stiff. How could a superhero in a suit of red and gold, powered armor look less stiff than two men in form-fitting costumes?
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Oubliette-Midas — 9 years ago(January 09, 2017 07:42 AM)
I'm talking sum total brooding as opposed to brooding per character or piecemeal. If you don't think anyone brooded all that much, good for you.
As for your recollection of Wonder Woman, she did do a little brooding over her lost faith in mankind.
A hundred years ago I walked away from mankind; from a century of horrors Men made a world where standing together is impossible.
That sounds a bit unhappy to me but, whatever.
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Phantom_Panther — 9 years ago(January 09, 2017 07:45 AM)
Did we ever see any brooding? We only see her talk about it, not her actually do it.
I'm talking sum total brooding as opposed to brooding per character or piecemeal.
Who aside from Batman and to a lesser extent Superman was brooding? This feels like one of those words that gets tossed around the Internet so often it's all but lost its meaning. Much like the term "mary sue". -
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